Re: Help - Am I going to poison my fish with the background I built ? (NetMax please read)

I'd be worried about the non-toxic paint.

Just because baby humans can eat the stuff, this doesn't mean fish can swim
in it and breathe it.

It sounds like you need to empty out the tank and let it dry out for a
couple of days in the sun.

Then attack it thoroughly with Epoxy Paint.  Make sure you get plenty of the
paint in all the cracks and arount the edges.

Jim


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> "Alan Silver"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
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> > Hello,
> >
> > [NOTE - this message covers some of what came out of the thread "How
> > many times should I wash out the tank before adding fish ?" currently
> > here. I posted this separately as I wanted to get more opinions,
> > especially from people who have built backgrounds like mine.]
> >
> > Some time ago I started a thread "What do I use to stick rocks together
> > ?" (see Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) and
> > was advised (mainly by NetMax with the help of some useful links) to
> > build a fake rock background out of polystyrene.
> >
> > Briefly what I did was get some polystyrene ceiling tiles and stick
> them
> > together to make a sheet big enough for the background. I then cut some
> > rocks out of bigger bits of polystyrene and stuck them on the tiles
> with
> > aquarium-safe silicone. I then painted it with non-toxic water-based
> > paints (from Toys-R-Us, 99p for a litre) and gave it two coats of
> 2-part
> > epoxy to seal it.
> >
> > Well, after working on it for quite some time, I finally finished it
> and
> > was very pleased. It looks very realistic and has loads of caves for
> the
> > cichlids to hide. I stuck it in the tank and prepared for the first
> > fill.
> >
> > I filled up the tank for the first time yesterday. To my horror, about
> > an hour after filling, I saw what looked like streams of milky
> substance
> > coming off the background. There were also loads of brown particles
> > coming off the background. This continued most of the day. By this
> > morning, the brown particles appear to have stopped. There are quite a
> > lot on the floor of the tank and on horizontal bits of the background,
> > but I don't think any more are coming off. The milky stuff also appears
> > to have stopped streaming, but the tank water is very milky.
> >
> > First, does anyone have any idea what could have caused this ? I am
> > pretty certain that the epoxy sealed the paint in all over. I don't
> > understand how the brown particles, which look like paint powder, could
> > have got off the background. Also, anyone any idea what the white stuff
> > is? The epoxy I used was West Systems epoxy and is designed for boats,
> > so is definitely waterproof. I found the stuff from someone else in
> this
> > newsgroup who used it in his tank without any of these sorts of
> > problems.
> >
> > Anyway, I intend to empty the tank tonight, wash the background well to
> > remove any more particles, then clean out the gunk from the bottom and
> > refill. If the refill remains clear and clean, I will risk some small
> > cheap living creature to see if it survives.
> >
> > I'm a bit desperate here. I realise it's almost impossible for anyone
> to
> > say clearly what has happened, but I'm just hoping someone may have
> some
> > ideas. I'm really worried about the idea of putting fish into a tank
> > that may contain poisons. On the other hand, the thought of ripping out
> > the background upsets me too. I worked very hard on it for quite a long
> > time and just don't have the time or heart to make another. I'm not
> even
> > sure I would get this one out cleanly as I stuck it in well.
> >
> > Any advice would be very gratefully received. TIA.
> >
> > --
> > Alan Silver
> >
>
> Polystyrene is non-toxic.  Properly cured West System's epoxy is
> non-toxic.  Your paint might have released some particulates, but it's
> probably non-toxic as well.  It appears the paint was not completely
> sealed by epoxy (?).  There might have been a bare spot, or some crevices
> which were not sealed?  This should not present a real problem.  Unsealed
> areas will be prone to loosing their paint due to abrasion from plecos,
> but if it's just crevices, then it's not a problem.  If the underside of
> the structure was painted and not sealed, then you might have paint
> particulates slowly coming off the polystyrene as you get water behind
> it.  I imagine this will just get caught into the filter over time (if it
> enters the water column).  Another possibility was some voids in the
> polystyrene filled with water and released some particulates.
>
> I'd fill the tank and let it soak a couple of days.  I'd then do a 100%
> water change and observe the water.  If there were any particulates
> bothering you, repeat the water change after a couple of days.  If the
> water appears clean, then activate the filtration with some fresh carbon
> (which gets thrown away after 3-4 weeks).
>
> I have no bad news regarding my last epoxied polystyrene structure.  It's
> been in the tank over a year, fish are fine, plants are growing, the
> surface gets a bit of algae which the bushynose then promptly scrapes
> off.  I used several layers of epoxy, with sand in the last 2 layers to
> give it a texture to match my rockwork.
>
> I'd agree with your assessment to proceed slowly but deliberately, and
> introduce a low cost but sensitive creature to do your final test.  When
> do we get to see pictures?
>
> NetMax
>
>