Re: Fuck the immigrants!

I would like to put my two cents in here. Please excuse me if I go off
course.

I an an immigrant too who have served in the armed force to defend this
country. My experience has been very clear from day one when my family and I
made that first step in San Francisco International Airport. We are not
going to identify the kind of people or races who gave us grief. Yet, we can
say that less than 50 percent welcomed us. We are talking about general
population and those who served with me in the military. I would never
forget those days.

Now, things have changed, atleast where we are at. We, immigrants, have
formed and matured to be a part of the community. We have children, grand
children. The majority of poeple in this area now are those of immigrant
decent. Many of them are highly educated. They don't see us as parasite
anylonger.
What is wrong with that?
Why were we bad people then, and good people now? We are the same person.
Ofcourse, that's called prejudice. I told some officials of the city
government once this sentence:" I perhaps can't do anything, but my children
will."
Ofcourse, they are doing it today. Our immigrant children thrive so hard
with our full support because we want them to succeed. We were CHINK then,
and we are still CHINK now. However, we are just richer or more powerful
CHINKS.

Now, we are looking back at those who gave us grieves. Yes, they have not
been doing so well. We, immigrants, have surpassed very long time ago. Many
of them have shut up because they were wrong. Ofcourse, they can't say
anything. We are not here to steal anything from anybody. WE JUST WANT TO BE
PRODUCTIVE CITIZENs AND A PART OF THE COMMUNITY. Treat us right. We too are
humans.

Finally, CHINKS are still CHINKS. Remember! We don't forget. We fight by
working to make our lives better faster to show that you are wrong. Also
remember! Many of us were highly educated somewhere else before coming to
the US. We may not have a GED here. Yet, our knowledge may be something you
really never thought of. THINK ABOUT IT.


"Gerhard Fiedler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 11:14:48 -0500, Oliver Costich wrote:
> >>That's taken out of context. I think spending more resources on
> >>prevention is essential, but I think that all the (remaining)
> >>available resources should continue with what you call law
> >>enforcement.
> >
> >What did you have in mind, specifically.
>
> Regarding prevention? I think that international cooperation is
> essential. IMO immigration is like pollution (of air, water etc) and
> finances and economy one of those areas where the limitation of the
> idea of sovereign nations becomes very clear.
>
> I'm an immigrant in the USA. I come from a "rich" country, and I
> didn't come to the USA out of despair. I came out of interest. This is
> the kind of immigration that does good to a country. It is also the
> kind of immigration that doesn't tend to create many illegal
> immigrants -- there's not much to gain for me to be illegally in the
> USA.
>
> It is the kind of immigration that occurs out of despair that creates
> problems -- in a way, it spreads the problems that created the
> despair. The only way to reduce this kind of immigration effectively
> and in the long run is to reduce the amount of despair.
>
> (This makes some simplifications, especially when you look at borders
> like US/Mexico, where many things are severely distorted. But in a
> way, this applies even there.)
>
> So IMO working towards a situation in the world that reduces the
> "despair situations" is one way to prevent this type of immigration.
> There are of course several ways to do that, and I have my opinions
> about them... For example, the Bush administration's arguments for the
> war in Iraq go in this direction: reduce despair, bring democracy. I
> think in general legal principles work better than war, so I favor
> efforts to create a world law, and a wold legislative -- and then, of
> course, a world police, controlled by both. I think this could go a
> long way to reduce despair in many areas (and in consequence illegal
> immigration).
>
> I also think that democracy (and for the republic fans, a republic or
> representative democracy is included here :) is a good way to reduce
> despair. So I think that supporting democracy movements is a good
> thing. Even though this may, in some cases, go against short term
> economic benefits, but in the long run I think it is a benefit for
> all. And I again think that it is a good way to make people proud of
> their country, let them have the feeling that they actually have a
> future in their home country, and let hem have good reasons to stay
> there.
>
> Both of these proposals go against traditional US foreign policy. So
> that's why I think that there is a huge potential -- there hasn't been
> done much in those respects so far.
>
>
> >>>You get the SSN illegally. Or you get it legally then become an illegal
> >>>immigrant (overstay, criminal conviction, etc...)<br>
> >>
> >>?? How can I get a SSN illegally? Don't get SSNs automatically
> >>canceled (or marked) after visa expiration, convictions, etc.?
> >
> >No. The systems don't communicate with each other.
>
> Well, I almost thought so much. This practically boils down to the
> fact that there is no single federal document that lets law
> enforcement know about the immigration status of a person, and the
> rights that person has. Seems to me that this is something quite
> important that's being missed.
>