Re: BBC **LIES** About HIV TESTS

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"Alex" in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3248715.stm

> From the Talking Point radio programme:
>
> " Robin Lustig:
> Peter Piot there are people, aren't there, who worry that, for example,
> tuberculosis, which can often be a manifestation of HIV infection but
> isn't necessary so and that can muddle up the figures sometimes.
>
> Peter Piot:
> Well it's true that there are - it's possible to have a so-called false positive
> test but it's extremely rare. Also in these surveys that I just talked about in
> Africa the same scientific standards are being applied, initial positive tests
> are being verified with other tests. I really think that that's not the problem. "
>
> -----------------------
>
> Now let ME become a good journalist, and supply the refutation of
> Piot's OUT AND OUT FALLACIES. From three, independent and unassailable
> sources.
>
> LIE one.
>
> "SO-CALLED FALSE POSITIVE TESTS, BUT IT'S EXTREMELY RARE."
>
> Well obviously Peter Piot, director of WHO/UNAIDS is not even familiar
> with his own organisation's data. Because in a population with a low
> occurrence of HIV infection, false positives are THE NORM.
>
> 1) The WHO ITSELF.
>
> http://www.who.int/bct/Main_areas_of_work/BTS/HIV_Diagnostics/
> Evaluation_reports/Operational%20Characteristics_HIV%20Report9_10.pdf
>
> " When a single screening assay is used for testing in a population
> with a very low prevalence of HN infection, the probability that
> a person is infected when a positive test result is obtained (i.e.,
> the positive predictive value) is very low, since the majority of
> people with positive results are not infected. "
>
> I will repeat for the slow of understanding that in low prevalence
> populations using one elisa, "THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE
> WITH POSITIVE RESULTS ARE NOT INFECTED".

[snip]

> 3) HIV Screening in a Military Blood Transfusion Centers
> This is Italian data from the general population (blood donors).
> http://www.certi.org/CMA/newsletter/v03n01.pdf
>
> Table II
>
> Number of dontations: 25,562
> Number of blood donations ELISA positive: 31
> Number of blood donations after confirmation test: 2
>
> This means that of 25,562 people tested with a single ELISA,
> 31 tested positive, and after further testing, only 2 *remained*
> positive.
> This means that in the field, ELISA had a ppv (positive predictive
> value) of 2/31 or 6.45%.

This means that there are  (31 - 2) / 25,562 = 0.11%  false
positives.

Only  2 / 25,562 = 0.008%  turned out to be HIV+.

It IS relevant whether <0.008%> or <0.008% + 0.11%>, but it is
totally irrelevant whether <around 20%> or <around 20% + 0.11%>.


> LIE two, testing standards for Africa.
>
> "IN THESE SURVEYS THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT
> IN AFRICA THE SAME SCIENTIFIC STANDARDS ARE
> BEING APPLIED, INITIAL POSITIVE TESTS ARE BEING
> VERIFIED WITH OTHER TESTS." - PIOT
>
> Wow. That makes my job really easy, because he said SURVEYS,
> not just diagnosis of individual patients in well-off clinics.

A limited number of representative cases is enough to determine
the percentage of false positives. In South Africa there are
regions where 30% of the adult population are HIV+. So in a
sample of 100 random adult persons, there are around 30 HIV+.
It is feasable and not too expensive to use all the existing
methods to detect HIV antibodies or HIV fragments in the case
of only 100 persons.

Alex, who are you, and for whom do you work? Why don't you
point out the real contraditions of the AIDS paradigm? Why
do you weaken the honest AIDS dissident movement by propagating
the theses (for instance: "HIV does not exist") of the false
"dissidents" working in fact for the AIDS establishment?

I'm actually shocked by the stupidy of the mass media in cases
such as AIDS, Ebola, BSE or SARS.

How is it possible that AIDS as "gay cancer" could have been
subtly transformed into AIDS as a simple redefinition of
poverty diseases, people always been dying of in huge quantity
in Africa, and until not too long ago also in Europe (e.g.
tuberculosis)?

If an organisation has so much money as the AIDS establishment,
every contradiction and every lie can be transformed into
truth, and unfortunately many potential critics can be bought.

Isn't it true that African AIDS activists earn several times
more than normal teachers or health workers?

The perpetuation of the HIV-AIDS belief system is essentially
based on a huge number of subtle cases of bribery.


Cheers, Wolfgang


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