Re: thanksgiving proc1

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (ambrose searle) wrote:

>:|\> >> Historically speaking she was wrong as you already know.
>:|> >
>:|> >Thanks for that concession, Jim.
>:|> >
>:|> >Isn't it a shame that the President of the ACLU can't get her history
>:|> >straight about the origin of "separation of church and state"?
>:|> >
>:|> >That's seems like a pretty important issue for the president of the
>:|> >ACLU to get right.
>:|> 
>:|> Why would one expect her to both have a PhD knowledge of American
>:|> history,
>:|
>:|My expectation is not even that high.
>:|
>:|But if you committed your life's work to defending a handful of
>:|principles, like Separation of Church and State, and if you were
>:|labeled as the leader of an organization that championed those
>:|principles, you would think that it would behoove you at least to have
>:|accurate information as to the origin of those principles.

And these words of wisdom from a master at lies, half truths, distortions,
misrepresentations, etc.

I would suggest you clean up your own act or pay attention to the log in
your own eye rather than any possible splinters in the eye of another.
 After all, that is your career isn't it, being a minister, helper of
people, teacher, etc? 

Your online Usenet M.O. doesn't fit that very well.
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"JTEM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>:|But, you, well, you being one sick mother fucker, you misquote Jefferson,
>:|pervert his words for your own evil agenda.
>:|
>:|I suggest Drano. Take big sips. Thanks in advance.

You shouldn't even be remotely surprised by the obsessive M.O. practiced by
Richard Gardiner AKA Ambrose Searle. After all, all have been warned.

What you are complaining about here is standard operating procedure  for
one Richard Gardiner AKA Ambrose Searle as what follows shows.
Having dealt with the character almost daily from 3/3/99 to 927/00 and
again from May 2001 to July 2001 and finally in recent months again, he is
very predictable and constantly employs the same M.O. over and over again.

His M.O. was so noticeable that someone went to all the trouble to put the
following together documenting it 
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 http://makeashorterlink.com/?F3E6121B6
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (ambrose searle) wrote:

>:|By and large, what one sees in these newsgroups is name-calling and
>:|insults. Genetic fallacies abound.

One of the biggest offenders has been:
Richard Gardiner as himself 3/99 to 9/00
Richard Gardiner as Ambrose Searle 5/02-7/02  and various spells in 2003

Here is something interesting referring to just one month
Now if you really want. Jeff Sinclair compiled THIS:
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To:   [DELETED, NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS]
Subject: Gardiner's Posts: March, 1999
From: Jeff Sinclair
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:25:11 -0600

I have compiled and organized Gardiner's posts for March, 1999 and saved
relevant bits of information, along with URLs for the curious. I think
you'll find it interesting, especially as there are several arguments here
he has repeated almost verbatim in the last month. As promised, I am
sending this file along to you for comments. Eventually, I hope to go back
and attach the "solutions" to the problems his various forms of
pseudohistory presents as we have tackled all these.

But that's for later.

That would go a long way toward explaining why he is able to post so
prodigiously, of course. If anything, this fairly well established him as
the "cut and paste king"; ironic especially since he accuses everyone else
of cutting and pasting.

He will be back of course. I did a thorough search of Deja News including
looking for characteristic phrases that he uses, as well as Schulman and
Childress. I will continue to do so. 
Jeff     

HERE IS HOW HE ORGANIZED IT:
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File on Richard Gardiner

Table of Contents

Slanderous Statements/Misrepresentation of Opponents
Misuse of Sources
Snipping/Doctoring Quotes

Pseudo-History
Undue Prominence/Influence Given to Historical Figures
Undue Influence of Christianity
Undue Influence Given Historical Documents
Undue Influence Given to Teachers/Nominal Religious Affiliation

Lies
Threats
Insults
Religious Right Ideology
Support for Establishment
Founders as Orthodox Christian
Basis For Citizenship
Religious Right Associations
Use of Typical Religious Right Quotes/Pseudo-History

Background
Selling Book
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its quite long and only covers one month

I actually have the URls that was supplied with the original. The only
problem is, they were complied before  Deja.com  sold out to Google. Thus
those particular URLs won't work with Google, Google never adapted them to
their own system.  However, from the sheer numbers of URls provided it does
show how meticulous the person was in compiling the information and could
actually be cross referenced since the month in question that was
documented was only one, March 1999.

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Now for Ambrose Searle AKA Richard Gardiner's rambling discourse I add
this:  

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[as Gray Shockley said:]
 (Your "opinion" is not an  adequate citation.)
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 "Dave Thompson" said to another but it can be applied to Ambrose Searle
AKA Richard Gardiner as well

Ummmm, you are a historical troll that has been posting this dreck for a
while now. It doesn't matter if you stopped for a while or not. None of
your posts are new, they're just the same thing you've posted before and
have been shown to be baseless. You obviously don't like it when you've
been caught right in the beginning. I'm sure it won't stop you but at least
it serves notice to others that aren't familiar with you who they are
dealing with.
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Take anything that Ambrose Searle aka Richard Gardiner types with a grain
of salt. As he has demonstrated time and time again in the past of several
years ago, the past of a year and half ago and finally quite recently.
Truth and him with regards to posting are not on speaking terms.

 MY EVIDENCE:

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Gardiner AKA Searle's church state posting history covering 3-99 to 902,
5/02 - 7/02 and this current year
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N16F22596
http://snurl.com/2ws8
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q54F21596 (up to date as of 11/18/03)

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http://makeashorterlink.com/?I2AF32596
http://snurl.com/2wsb
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