Re: Grammar

ivy_mike wrote:
> 
> "Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"  <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> 
> > Oh, I don't know, I suppose the best results possible given the level of
> > effort, ability, etc.
> 
> Oh, I see.  So, in your mind, "best results possible" equates to
> "excellent results."  I'm not surprised.
> 
This is the original quote from me: "An educational system which ignores
the native grammar of a group of people is going to produce less than
excellent results." I don't see how we get from my comment to your
claim. My comment never claimed that any educational system could with
certainty produce 'excellent results', only that one which ignores the
native grammar of a whole population in that system will likely produce
'less than excellent results'.



> > If you are ignorant of someone else's grammar and they are ignorant of
> > yours, aren't you both ignorant of something?
> 
> I think you're referring to our public schools here...
> 
I was referring to this comment: "And by 'native grammar,' do you mean
the ignorant vernacular used by the uneducated members of the group?"
One vernacular isn't any more objectively 'ignorant' than any other
vernacular. Of course you meant ignorance of a pedagogical standard and
certainly various dialects are to varying degrees distant from American
Standard English. 



> > What do you suggest, Soylent Green?
> 
> No.  I think your "excellent results" comment is what set me off.
> It just smacked too much of what I've seen in the working world.
> Whenever you feel the need to use that term, just change it to
> your more accurate "best results possible" and we'll be okay.
> 
'Less than excellent results' seems like a sarcastic enough comment to
me not to be considered a claim that excellent results are uniformly
possible or probable. 



> > Again, I don't know. What does "I be double jammin'" mean?
> 
> I have no idea.  There used to be a basketball player at Georgia Tech
> who had that as a nickname of sorts...never made too much sense to me
> either.  I assume it had something to do with flashy play on the courts.
> 
Whatever he is saying, he sure seems to be saying with the 'be' aspect
marker that he does it habitually.


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