Re: church/state seperation

> >> Secondly the
> >> amendment contradicts your interpretation of it.
> >
> >"My" interpretation? or the interpretation of the preponderance of
> >Constitutional Scholars?
>  
> Please name one court case in which armed insurrection was found to be
> a constitutional right.  The entire concept is absurd.  

Insofar as many Supreme Court cases acknowledge the legitimacy,
authority, and national foundation of the U.S.: The Declaration of
Independence, each of those cases implicitly acknowledged the right to
"alter or abolish" any government that becomes destructive of the ends
for which it exists.

Do you want me to cite the number of S.C. cases that cite the DOI as a
legitimate authority?

> >> >The first amendment says that church and state are to be separated,
> >> >the explicity wording does not include that precise phrase.
> >> 
> >> There is a state.  Where is the church that is to be separated from
> >> it?   
> >
> >Man, you really aren't educated are you?
> >
> >The church that they had in mind is the 3rd Presbyterian Church of
> >Dubuque, Iowa.
> 
> In other words you have no answer.  Your phony sarcasm does not hide
> that.

The "church" that is separated from the state are religious
institutions in general.

Please tell me that you knew that already. Please.

> >The security of a state can be threatened from without or within. 
> 
> Yes, by rebellion for example.

Or, as Supreme Court Chief Justice Joseph Story said, from a tyrant.


> >When
> >the founders of the U.S., who were British citizens, took up arms
> >against Britain, they felt they were protecting their own state.
> >Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God, they said. We must be
> >willing to protect our country from our government they said.
> 
> They may have said many things.  The amendment in question does not
> give people the right of insurrection.

The right to alter or abolish any government which is destructive of
the ends for which Government is created among men is fundamental to
our constitution.

It is a right stated in the Declaration of Independence. The Second
Amendment was written with the same concept in view.

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before
them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must
be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their
power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed
by the next article [2nd Amendment] in their right to keep and bear
their private arms."

Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal
Constitution, Moved on the 8th Instant in the House of
Representatives, Fed. Gazette & Phila. Evening Post, June 18, 1789.

Searle