Re: Ray attempts Biblical justification: was Re: U.N. rules Canada should ban spanking

On 23 Nov 2003 21:42:48 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg Hanson)
wrote:

>Greg wrote
>> > Do a Google search on Geoff Rantz.
>
>Kane wrote
>> Nope, you brought him up,[...] withholding the information <snip>
>
>Withholding?  You CHOSE to ignore it when I posted it in
>a newsgroup you frequent over a MONTH ago, Kane.

I do not remember seeing it. Please refer me to the ng and post. I
notice you've done neither in the reply. Why is that I wonder.

>> > He is a former Child Protection caseworker.
>> Please post what you have. You brought him up, quite playing coy.
>Publicly posted in a newsgroup is not "coy".

When you refer to it and don't POINT to it asshole so I'll know that
you posted that is a good deal more than COY.... it's asshole
behavior...but then you've demonstrated that that is what you know
best how to do...think like and be an asshole.

>> > (It would have embarassed the CPS agency.)
>> Please provide some support beyond your usual brainless twaddle. 
>> Personally I have seen CPS go as public as possibe when they have
>> canned a worker for malfeasance. And I've seen them provide
evidence
>> to have them jailed.
>
>In this case the MISSING news coverage proves a point.

This point below? 

>Media here normally DOES report such stuff on parents.

I do not see the point. You think one worker that didn't get reported
equated with ALL parents being reported. Prove it.

>Clearly some favoritism exists.

I've not seen that. In fact I have never in all these years seen a
single instance where a client of CPS, unless they have been accused
of murder, get newscoverage.

It's a rare case of shaken baby syndrom that doesn't result in death,
for instance, that hits the news. Do they report them all where you?

>> My experience checks your experience. Mate.
>Look on the bottom for the court record.
>Two charges IN criminal court, and dismissed?
>Apparently your so-called experience is lacking.   :)
>
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>From: Greg Hanson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>Subject: Pervert Child Protection Caseworker GEOFF RANTZ 
>Newsgroups: alt.support.child-protective-services
>Date: 2003-10-08 04:37:22 PST 

So you always set traps for people? Is this how you parented the
little girl? No wonder she pissed herself. She had to guess what shit
you'd come up with next to torture her with.

>GEOFF RANTZ
>In 1996 our local Cedar Rapids Iowa DHS Child Protection office
>fired him for fondling a 12 year old.  He was 20 years old.
>It was kept out of the media completely.

So tell me, if it wasn't in the media how did you manage to find out
about it?

I mean what with Iowa CPS keeping it all hush hush. And how did the
authorities in Colorado find out about this carefully kept secret?

>News coverage would have embarassed Iowa DHS Child Protection,
>even if the mans name was kept out of the media.

And you found out about it how again?

Come on, dimwit, don't you know by now I know how you find out about
it and they got it from the media?

>They put him on the sex offender registry.
>He bargained it down to a neglect listing on the Child Abuse
registry.

And what did he offer in exchange for this "bargain"?  

>BUT
>In Colorado he got another job in Child Protection,
>coerced little boys into sex, impersonated a law
>enforcement officer and conned families out of money.

Sounds like a thoroughgoing criminal with the mind of a
criminal...speaking of which....?.....?.....?

>At 27 years old in 2002 Geoff Rantz got 40 years in Colorado.
>He said he was framed.

Excellent. By the bars, I presume. Apparently those nasty folks at CPS
and the police and all failed to put this guy away...opps, Wait!

Seems everyone IS doing their job, but they just aren't perfect enough
for you, the highly skilled observer and supervisor of all things CPS.

>---------------------------------------------------
>Social Service Worker Accused Of Molesting Boys
>Police Say Rantz Posed As Police Officer, Investigator To Gain
>Access Posted: 8:37 a.m. MDT May 23, 2002
>Updated: 8:42 a.m. MDT May 23, 2002
>
>COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -- A former El Paso County social
>services caseworker sexually assaulted boys after gaining access
>to them by posing as a psychologist, police officer and
>probation officer, prosecutors said. 
>
>Geoff Rantz, 27, is charged with criminal impersonation, theft
>and a series of sexual assaults on underage boys. His trial
>began Wednesday. 
>
>In opening statements, prosecutor Geoff Heim said Rantz used
>threats, lies and pornography to gain control and groom the boys
>to be open to his advances.
>
>Rantz's attorneys said he is the victim of lies concocted by the
>mother of two boys he is accused of molesting.
>
>As a county social worker, Rantz was responsible for
>investigating reports of child abuse and dealt with about 30
>children in foster homes and treatment facilities from April
>1999 to March 2001. 
>
>Posing as a probation officer and sexual assault investigator,
>prosecutors said Rantz told a 14-year-old boy that sexual
>encounters would help move him off probation. The boy had been
>in trouble for stealing school lunch tickets.
>
>Rantz said on an employment application that he had graduated
>from Coe College in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, with a psychology degree
>and was a master's candidate at Regis University. Both schools
>said Rantz' claims were false. 
>
>He was hired despite his name appearing on Iowa's Central Child
>Abuse Registry, which identifies people who have been arrested
>and convicted of sexual abuse, physical abuse, neglect and other
>crimes against children. 

As far as I know states do not check each other's registries. The cost
to do nationwide (what would be the point of only checking the state a
criminal SAYS he's from...dummy?) bg checks is quite prohibitive.

Why is it you ninnies think everyone in the world, but you...ass
sitter....can snap their fingers and make things appear at their
command?

>El Paso County officials said they have changed hiring
>procedures. 

Trust me on this. I know criminals. I've worked extensively with them
and this is just an invitation for those like you to develop new and
slicker ways around the system. You need some time in the slammer to
tune up your skills, Gigolo. You could do lots better than a needy
women and her helpless child.

>Testimony: Caseworker Demanded Sex "Thousands" Of Times
>El Paso County Man In Court Over Alleged Sexual Molestations
>Posted: 9:36 a.m. MST January 15, 2002
>
>A former caseworker for the El Paso County Department of Human
>Services demanded sex from a boy "thousands" of times, according to
court
>testimony Monday.
>
>Geoff Rantz, 26, is accused of sexually molesting a child over a
>three-year period.
>
>Monday's testimony in a Colorado Springs, Colo., courtroom came
during
>the first day of a hearing to determine if there is enough evidence
for a
>trial.
>
>The 18-year-old college student testified in court that Rantz tricked
>him into performing sexual acts for more than three years, beginning
when
>he was 14.
>
>The teen testified that Rantz said he was a probation officer and
told
>him the sex acts were part of training sessions. The man also
testified
>that he paid $15,000 to $20,000 during the three-year period to pay
off the
>cost of his "rehabilitation."
>
>The teen also said the sexual encounters increased to as many as
three
>times per day until the time police began their investigation of
Rantz in
>February 2001.
>
>Rantz turned himself last October after a warrant was issued for his
>arrest on suspicion that he sexually assaulted a child,
misrepresented his
>background and bilked thousands of dollars from families of troubled
>boys he counseled.
>
>A subsequent investigation revealed that in 1996, Rantz was accused
of
>fondling a 12-year-old boy in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Charges were
>dismissed in that case, but Rantz was placed on a sex offenders
registry. Rantz
>appealed and the sexual abuse listing was changed to neglect,
according to a
>court document.

You said he "bargained" it from sex to abuse registry. He "appealed"
it apparently. Or maybe you best call that reporter and get it
straight that YOU are the expert in what happened.

>
>Monday's hearing will continued on Jan. 23.
>

Interestingly this below is the ONLY thing that pops up on a search
for the man by name. Yes profane justice seems to be well informed. Do
they work for the state of Iowa and have an inside track, or in fact
was the "secret" in Iowa not so much of a secret after all...that is
to say that your babbling about Iowa CPS was just so much pig shit as
usual?

>
>http://www.profane-justice.org/pressadv.prs.pdf.
>
>Press Advisory
>October 30, 2001
>RE: Request for Grand Jury Investigation into Child Protection
>Practices
>Is DA Jeanne Smith Lying?
>POINT :
>October 25, 2001 Gazette article states "Smith. . .said the Rantz
case
>is not related to Cloer's request for an investigation." (See
attached
>article)
>POINT:
>October 17, 2001 Letter from attorney Anjanette Wayman, distributed
as
>part of the press packet at Rep Cloer's press conference, and
included in the
>packet to DA Smith, references Geoff Rantz, "When the Colorado
Springs
>Police Department contacted me about Mr. Rantz, they disclosed that
>Mr. Rantz had disappeared with my client's teenage son." (See
attached
>letter)
>CONCLUSION
>: Either Jeanne Smith lied to the Gazette about Rantz being a part of
>the investigation requested by Cloer (in order to falsely state there
are
>no criminal violations in any of the cases presented to her?) -OR-
>there is another pedophile under the employ of DHS, still at large,
>preying on the vulnerable children of El Paso County and DHS and
Smith
>are aware of that fact and doing nothing about it.
>FACT:
>DA Jeanne Smith has not contacted the victims named in the report
>given to her by Rep. Mark Cloer subsequent to the conference
requesting a Grand
>Jury investigation into child protection practices.
>QUESTIONS
>Is Jeanne Smith going to make a decision about convening a Grand Jury
>without speaking to the victims?
>Has she given the complaints she received to the accused?
>Is this the correct way to conduct a criminal investigation?
>
>
>Empire: Social worker gets 40 years   Denver Post
>Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - COLORADO SPRINGS - A former
>social-services caseworker was sentenced to 40 years in prison on
>charges he molested and raped troubled boys.
>
>Geoff Rantz, 27, was sentenced Monday. He insisted he was framed on
>the sex charges.
>
>The El Paso County employee was convicted in June of six counts of
>sexual assault on a child, theft, contributing to the delinquency of
a
>minor, criminal impersonation and practicing therapy without a
>license.
>
>Rantz's conviction on sex crimes gives the state parole board the
>discretion to incarcerate him for life if it thinks he remains
>dangerous.
>
>Prosecutors also presented evidence suggesting Rantz attempted to
>influence a witness during his three-week trial while he remained
free
>on bail. The district attorney's office has not determined whether to
>file charges in that case.
>
>
>CHILD PROTECTOR ACCUSED OF MOLESTING CHILDREN AND BILKING PARENTS:
>Authorities say an El Paso County social worker used lies and his
>position to sexually molest troubled teen-age boys and bilk their
>families out of thousands of dollars. Police on Tuesday arrested
>Geoff Rantz, 26, on suspicion of sexual assault, theft and
>criminal impersonation. Details about the arrest emerged on
>Wednesday in a court document. Meanwhile, county officials say
>the department already has revamped its hiring procedures.
>Rantz's arrest comes at a time when others are questioning
>the county's Department of Human Services. State Rep. Mark
>Cloer, R-Colorado Springs, last week delivered 40 to 50
>complaints about caseworkers to 4th Judicial District Attorney
>Jeanne Smith, seeking a grand jury investigation into the
>department. (Source: Colorado Springs Gazette, 10/26/2001)
>http://www.gazette.com
>
>Case ID Title Name DOB
>06571  FECR009803
>STATE OF IOWA VS RANTZ, GEOFFREY DEL
>DOB 12/08/1974  Offence date: August 1, 1994
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Count 01 Charge Charge:    709.8 Description: LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH A
CHILD (FELD)
>Offense Date:  08/01/1994 Arrest Date:  Against Type: 
>Adjudication Charge:
>709.8 Description: LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH A CHILD (FELD) 
>Adj.: DISMISSED Adj.Date: 09/19/1996
>Adj.Judge: KOEHLER, THOMAS L 
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Count 02 Charge Charge: 
> 709.4-2 Description: DNU - SEXUAL ABUSE 3RD DEGREE - 1978 (FELC) 
>           Offense Date:  08/01/1994 Arrest Date:  Against Type:

Yah know, yah get through reading this and it should be apparent to
the sane and thinking people that this was a skillful criminal who
figured out how to slide through the checks in the system.

I've asked about such things from CPS and what I find is they have all
kinds of ways of checking but in fact no matter how thorough they are,
some will slip through just on the odds...and the number that
try...well, among clients it's very high.

They talk about sister's using their sibs name and social security
number, or doing a mix and match. People buying identities off ID
theives.

Thanks for all the information, finally. Much quicker this time. I'll
get you to come to heel yet, boy.

That little trickster will probably do all he can, as cons do, to get
out early, and go back to scammin one way or another.

And you?

Kane