Re: Ray attempts Biblical justification: was Re: U.N. rules Canada should ban spanking

Julie,

Julie Pascal wrote: (to me)

> And some idiot decided that "physical punishment" in the form
> of push-ups was inappropriate for the Air Force (It seems that
> infantry type services can justify the use of physical punishments
> if they also work toward physical conditioning but not the Air
> Force) and so instead of dropping for 20 or 50 and having the
> infraction punished, done and *gone* while I was in basic,
> there was an elaborate system of record keeping and delayed
> punishment strategies that meant you might get chewed out (no
> swearing allowed) when you least expected it from yet another
> TI for some mistake that, it seemed, just never went away.

I understand that you are, or were, in the Air Force.  Having never been a
member of the military, I cannot comment on your experiences.  I do know that
children are not members of the military.  And what we are talking about on
alt.parenting.spanking is the practice of physically hitting children in the
name of discipline.

> Unless someone punishes NOT AT ALL, physical discomfort
> is only replaced with emotional and psychological discomfort,
> manipulation and guilt.

Well, guess what?  I'm an advocate for raising children within punishment.  I
advocate raising children with firm guidance and appropriate limits.  This can
be accomplished without punishment.  I don't advocate parenting with physical
discomfort, nor I advocate parenting with emotional and psychological
discomfort, manipulation, or guilt.  And when this happens, I recommend parents
apologize to their children, for none of is perfect.

LaVonne

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