Re: Is Jesus honored when people make a lie in His honor?

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Dalene Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:

>
>You keep arguing the point that "OBJECT/ACTION XX" really ARE innocuous and
>okay, when not turned into idols and not used by heathens, EXCEPT when the
>discussion is specifically about Christmas trees used as mere decorations by
>Christians.
>
>Am I reading this right, or is it just me?
>
>Dalene
>
>

Yes <wg>.

But I'm getting bored too <wg>.

But there's *still* the gap of nobody actually bringing a tree *inside* until
Martin Luther (and that's just on hearsay). The first actual *known* tree was
one of the Elizabeth's (I'll have to look it up - but it had absolutely
*nothing* to do with the ancient Yule ceremonies, although people *obviously*
have been trying to trace it back to that very strenously <wg>).

But I really *would* prefer the whole *month* of orgy-ism of the Bachanalli -
the Romans *definitely* knew how to have *fun* <wg>.

I *like* discovering the pagan (not "heathen") origins of holidays and dates,
calendars, etc., and  *not* the "Christian hysteria" that often gets the
*facts* so laughably *wrong* (or tragically, as the case may be). So we
disagree on the 4th century's syncretism - but they *had* tried to snuff all
the "pagan" stuff out for the 3 centuries *before* that! (I tend to be on the
side of "so, who can blame them?", but obviously Ibud does <wg> - considering
that the tree is the *least* documented as coming from pagan origins, he's
going to have a *very* rough Christmas <wg>, but it *does* look like he's mixed
up the maypole with the christmas tree <wg>, which *was* danced around <g>, as
a fertility rite <wg>.) So, to *really* make it pagan, we need to keep it
*outside* and *living* (which was the whole point - that it *survived* the
winter! <g>)

So, have a tree, or don't have a tree - nobody really *cares*, except obviously
the person in RL you're probably losing this argument to <wg>.




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