Re: Is Jesus honored when people make a lie in His honor?

Jon Houts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> "Dalene Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>
>>> You made an incorrect assumption that I currently worship my
>>> Christmas tree and sing carols of praise to IT.
>>
>> It would be interesting to see the quote in which you think I ever
>> said that.
>
> Here:

Okay, let's read the quote. As a home-schooler, I'd expect a high
degree of literacy from you: you must have found a place where I
suggest that Dalene (1) worships her Christmas tree, and (2) sings TO
THE TREE. Ready? Here goes:

>>>> ...it would seem appropriate to throw the ball back in your
>>>> court: are you really comfortable dancing around the
>>>> ammonia-fountain, singing ammonia carols?

Let's see. We have (1) dancing around [an object], and (2) singing
[some sort of] carols. I'm disappointed! From every angle, it's clear
that this says neither of the things you seem to imagine:

First and most importantly, I asked a question which (1) was
hypothetical, and (2) made no assumption as to whether Dalene does or
doesn't do the hypothetical things in question.

Similarly, if I asked you, "Would you be comfortable putting your
mother in a nursing home?"  I would not be assuming that your mother
is in a home, or that you would put her there, or indeed whether you
even have a mother. From the question, nothing can be inferred about
your mother or about what I think about her.

Second, "dancing around" something does not imply worship. Indeed, the
image I had in mind was a maypole; perhaps the maypole dance *was* an
act of worship in the past, but today lots of people dance around
maypoles with no intent to worship it. It's "JUST A TRADITION", rather
the way xmas trees are "just a tradition" today.

Third, nobody "dances around" xmas trees, so the reference to "dancing
around the ammonia fountain" can't possibly be applied _directly_ to
Christmas trees. In other words, it would be absurd to suppose, say,
that I thought Dalene "danced around" a Christmas tree--let alone
"worshipped" it!

Fourth, "ammonia carols" map directly to "christmas carols". It was a
reference to xmas carols, and made no mention of singing TO THE TREE,
nor was that even contemplated. (Whether Dalene ever sings "O
Christmas Tree" or not, I haven't the foggiest.)

So I'm afraid you have not found the elusive quote where I accused
Dalene of worshipping, or even singing to, xmas trees.

Regards,
Len.