Re: Is Jesus honored when people make a lie in His honor?

Paola Addamiano- & Marty Carts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Emailed too.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> "Dalene Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Given your state of knowledge,
>>>
>>> (there's probably an insult here, but I'm not going to bother with
>>> it!  LOL)
>>
>> Hypersensitive! No insult is intended or implied.
>
> Not hypersensitive, tho now apparently mistaken.  Frankly I too am
> at a complete loss as to how to otherwise understand your phrase,
> "Given your state of knowledge".  What did that part mean?

You know that Christ never instituted, authorized or endorsed this
holiday. You know that it was a heathen celebration (in fact, a number
of different heathen cultures independently selected the date). You
know that its accouterments are in fact borrowed directly from
heathen. Given that you know all this, it makes sense to put the
question back to your conscience: Are you comfortable borrowing a
heathen celebration, with or without the fig leaf of pretending to do
it in God's honor?

>> Standard policy in the early Catholic truth was to blend various
>> heathen traditions with their worship, for example.
>
> The RCC (maybe about the time of St. Patrick?)

Since at least Gregory Thaumaturgus.

> ...made the conscious choice to employ heathen symbology
> resignificated, as a tool of conversion--

Right.

> ...the essential difference is between choosing to partake in some
> other custom initiated by heathen (such as teeth brushing, jazz, or
> rap music...)

  One sure-shot way to get 'em outta dem pants
  take note to the brand-new dance like this!

  When I move you move!
  (Just like that?)
  When I move you move!
  (Just like that?)
  H--- yeah! DJ, bring that back!

Um, yeah, I'd have a hard time explaining the difference between a bad
ol' Christmas tree and harmless li'l ol' rap music.

> "Since my family does not employ the Christmas tree as part of my
> Christian worship God would not be unpleased that we employ this
> heathen behaviour as part of our Christian worship."

I'm pleased that you don't pretend Christmas is a christian holiday.

>> Yes, that's the sort of rationalization that I predicted. "Heathen
>> brush their teeth; I brush my teeth--therefore, Jeremiah 10 applies
>> to some things and not others. Meanwhile, the next Bacchanalia is
>> sure going to be fun!"
>
> So what *is* your position on the days of the week?

Repeating your rationalization in the form of an aggressive
question. The fallacy is called a "red herring". Home-schooled kids
should know better than to employ it.

> 1. Where, how, do you differentiate between heathen practices that
> you accept and heathen practices that you reject?

Generally speaking, those derived from heathen worship and/or heathen
licentiousness are high on my "reject" list. That includes
Bacchanalia, ritual fornication, sacrificing chickens, or celebrating
druidic holidays holidays such as Samhain or Saturnalia.

> 2. Give me your definition of Heathen.

Any unbeliever, whether animist, Hindu, muslim or Catholic.

Regards,
Len.