Re: Is Jesus honored when people make a lie in His honor?

Emailed too.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> "Dalene Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> >> Given your state of knowledge,

> > (there's probably an insult here, but I'm not
> > going to bother with it!  LOL)

> Hypersensitive! No insult is intended or implied.

Not hypersensitive, tho now apparently mistaken.
Frankly I too am at a complete loss as to how to
otherwise understand your phrase, "Given your
state of knowledge".  What did that part mean?

> >> ...it would seem appropriate to throw the ball back in your court:
> >> are you really comfortable dancing around the ammonia-fountain,
> >> singing ammonia carols?

> > A more correct analogy would be - am I comfortable having ammonia
> > fountains in my house while I sing praise and worship to the one
> > True God...

> You can take that angle if you like, yes. Standard policy in the early
> Catholic truth was to blend various heathen traditions with their
> worship, for example.

The RCC (maybe about the time of St. Patrick?)
made the conscious choice to employ heathen
symbology resignificated, as a tool of conversion--
Take and use what is not Christian but is sympathetic
to Christianity.  For example, how to explain they
symbology of "bread" to a culture that doesn't have
wheat, or other leavened starchy foodstuff?

Honestly, Len, you've done a horrible job of
explaining to me what the essential difference is
between choosing to partake in some other
custom initiated by heathen (such as teeth
brushing, jazz, or rap music,  ...) and having a
Christmas tree in my home.

> So your question is perfectly legitimate: would
> God, who said, "Learn not the ways of the heathen," be pleased to
> observe you employing heathen behaviors as part of your "christian"
> worship?

My answer would be twofold.  "Since my family
does not employ the Christmas tree as part of
my Christian worship God would not be unpleased
that we employ this heathen behaviour as part
of our Christian worship."

and

"That aside, it depends whether I employ those
behaviours for the same reason as the heathen
do or whether I ignore the heathen significance
and merely do it for pragmatic purposes or
resignificate it with Christian meaning."

> > You made an incorrect assumption that I currently worship my
> > Christmas tree and sing carols of praise to IT.

> It would be interesting to see the quote in which you think I ever
> said that.

> > To carry the "learn not the ways of the heathen" verse to the full
> > extent of your argument, we must quit calling modern days of the
> > week what we currently call them.

> Yes, that's the sort of rationalization that I predicted. "Heathen
> brush their teeth; I brush my teeth--therefore, Jeremiah 10 applies to
> some things and not others. Meanwhile, the next Bacchanalia is sure
> going to be fun!"

So what *is* your position on the days of the week?
When *you* use the names of the days of the week,
are you not also on the same slippery slope of
rationalization that you insist the Barneses are on?

> > If Franklin wasn't saved when he "discovered" electricity, then,
> > according to your interpretation of the verse, we must not use
> > electricity.

> Now you're telling me how I interpret the verse.

First, you beat any and every one else to that
faux pas.

Second, *clearly* Barnes would have put an
implicit "apparently" between "then," and
"according" if she'd thought it were necessary.

> You're wrong--but forget about that: I'm
> more interested in where you get this from.

> > The GRACE afforded to us through Jesus Christ (as Paul outlines in
> > his "meat to idol" analogy) allows us to utilize meat from idols,
> > ammonia from Pluto...

> ...hookers from 39th and Broadway...

Please, if you respond to *any* of the above,
please start with:  1.  Where, how, do you
differentiate between heathen practices that
you accept and heathen practices that you
reject?  2.  Give me your definition of Heathen.
______________________________Marty