Re: Government churches should be constitutionally rabid

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (ambrose searle aka richard gardiner) wrote:

>:|Who is the loudest attacker of David Barton on the web? Hint look in
>:|the mirror. Who has laid into James Hutson (at the LOC), D. James
>:|Kennedy, Gary Amos, Harold Berman, Eidsmoe, Robertson, Dreisbach,
>:|Smylie, etc., ad nauseum.

Ho hum:

It really bugs the hell out of you that people expose Barton and not
everyone embraced the LOC religion propaganda.

Are the above named people your heroes? Do they represent your viewpoints?
If so, that shows how much a liar you really are since you denied that
viewpoint for 18 approx 18 months before (3/99-9/00)

(1) Actually I don't offhand know who Harold Berman is. 
(2) I frequently cite  Dreisbach.  At least for awhile, though he is an
accommodationist, he was quite balanced in much of his early writings. He
seems to have gotten away from the in some of his more recent writings.
But I have most of his published works articles and books.  S. Batte and
Dreisbach went to UVA law school together, though he was a year ahead of
her as I recall.

Gary Amos, a Virginia Beach Attorney and your co-author. Helped begin Pat
Robertson's Regent U with help in setting up the School of Government and
Law school. He may still be an instructor there. He has close ties with the
truly extreme Rushdooney's Reconstructionist movement.  You also got badly
burnt when you cited some of his works and had it backfire in the past by
Mike Curtis Jeff Sinclair and myself.
Not just anyone on Usenet would mention Gary Amos or have any knowledge of
him. 

Richard Gardiner, Gary Amos,.           Results 1 - 50 of about 136. 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gary Amos,.  Results 1 - 12 of about 29. 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED], Gary Amos,.  Results 1 - 20 of about 63. 
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Ambrose Searle, Gary Amos,.     Results 1 - 11 of about 24. 
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Mike Curtis, Gary Amos,.  Results 1 - 50 of about 2,530
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D. James Kennedy, Gary Amos,  Eidsmoe, Robertson, 
are well known. Tier reputation proceeds them, nothing more need be said
about them and I don't off hand know who Smylie is.

DAVID BARTON:

The Barton Chronicles
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/bartchro.htm


Subject: L.O.C. EXHIBIT (update)
http://snurl.com/2sjj

Kindly note some of what is contained in the above URL

LIBRARY OF CONGRESS, Copyright William Edelen
 http://www.evolvefish.com/freewrite/edelin-lib-congrs.html

and

Tearing Down Jefferson's Oath, John Patrick Michael Murphy
Copyright 1998
http://www.evolvefish.com/freewrite/murphy-jeffersons-oath.html

They are short articles but gives you an alternative viewpoint, not that I
think you really want one.

First Amendment Scholars Challenge Library of Congress
Claims on Jefferson Letter Regarding "Wall"
http://www.infidels.org/wire/stories/loc_jeffWall.html

(The above URL also has the letter the scholars wrote to the LOC, and the
list of scholars who signed off on it---Buckeye)
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REGARDING THE LOC EXHIBIT:
I received this email just the other day. Kindly note their thoughts:

>:|
>:|Hi again:
>:|A Christian friend of mine has referred me to this Library of Congress
>:|Exhibition,
>:|so I'd like to have an intelligent resonse to it.  I've only just started
>:|looking at it, but
>:|my first impression is that for a federal display, it is blatantly
>:|sectarian.  It barely
>:|acknowledges Deism, or anything but Protestantism.   Have any of you three
>:|had a chance to see this?  Are you familiar with the exhibit sponsors?
>:|I'd love to hear your take on it before I go responding to it myself:
>:|
>:|http://lcweb.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/religion.html
>:|
>:|As always, thanks for an invaluable site!  Please keep up the good work.
>:|-D
>:|

and one other:

>:|Jim,
>:|
>:|The following is the exchange I just had with the Library of Congress. Can 
>:|you provide anything better? I want to demonstrate that atheists have been a 
>:|shunned and despised minority since the founding.
>:|
>:|Thanks, as always.
>:|
>:|- Mike
>:|
>:|**********
>:|I am interested in the existence of atheism during the
>:|colonial period. There is no mention of this in your exhibit, "Religion
>:|and the Founding of the American Republic." Certainly atheism was on
>:|people's minds, inasmuch as Jefferson was called this in the election of
>:|1800. 
>:|
>:|Can you help? 
>:|
>:|Because atheism was a term of opprobrium in early America few people
>:|would admit to professing it. It is, therefore, impossible to estimate
>:|the number of atheists. Benjamin Franklin once stated that he had never
>:|met an atheist in America. James Hutson 
>:|
>:|Thank you.
>:|
>:|Do you have references I can cite to this effect? (I.e., that atheism was a 
>:|term of opprobrium?) 
>:|
>:|No reference that I readily comes to mind. John Adams' papers are full
>:|of scathing remarks about atheists.Jim Hutson 

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Also note the little if anything that is contained in the following was
ever included in the LOC Exhibit. 
Balance and accuracy wasn't the goal they had in mind.

Christian Orthodoxy And The Founders
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/orthodox.htm

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Now for Ambrose Searle AKA Richard Gardiner's rambling discourse I add
this:  

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[as Gray Shockley said:]
 (Your "opinion" is not an  adequate citation.)
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 "Dave Thompson" said to another but it can be applied to Ambrose Searle
AKA Richard Gardiner as well
Ummmm, you are a historical troll that has been posting this dreck for a
while now. It doesn't matter if you stopped for a while or not. None of
your posts are new, they're just the same thing you've posted before and
have been shown to be baseless. You obviously don't like it when you've
been caught right in the beginning. I'm sure it won't stop you but at least
it serves notice to others that aren't familiar with you who they are
dealing with.
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Take anything that Ambrose Searle aka Richard Gardiner types with a grain
of salt. As he has demonstrated time and time again in the past of several
years ago, the past of a year and half ago and finally quite recently,
truth and him with regards to posting are not on speaking terms.

 MY EVIDENCE:

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Gardiner AKA Searle's church state posting history covering 3-99 to 902,
5/02 - 7/02 and this current year
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N16F22596
http://snurl.com/2ws8
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q54F21596 (up to date as of 11/18/03)

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http://makeashorterlink.com/?I2AF32596
http://snurl.com/2wsb
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