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Re: Government churches should be constitutionally rabid



PART III

[I said ] 
>:|> This one is far better:

>:|http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=387669cf.12171966%40news.exis.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
>:|> 
>:|>  My Reply will be found in the newly posted article
>:|> Christian Orthodoxy And The Founders
>:|> http://members.tripod.com/~candst/orthodox.htm
>:|

[ ambrose searle aka richard gardiner ] said
>:|A "reply" that has been thoroughly answered at
>:|
>:|http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=fe9a0c54.0311172019.274b6fb5%40posting.google.com

[ my reply]
Now in your wildest dreams.

Your standard ploy here is to try and attack the source, be it a web site
or the one posting or in some cases even a scholar.

That is pretty standard with you, you seem to want the world to believe
that only you know the "truth," and anyone who disagrees with your position
has got to have it wrong no matter who they are or how qualified they are. 

You might sell that to members of the choir, but  you will not fool most
people who may even bother to read any of the exchanges between us.

Two Items, one short, one quite long.

Letr any readers who may venrute to studying decide.

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http://makeashorterlink.com/?C10D12A96
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Was Thomas Jefferson a Christian
Newsgroups: alt.bible, alt.christnet.philosophy, alt.christnet.theology,
alt.religion.christian, alt.atheism
Date: 2002-06-04 04:35:59 PST

(2)
[part iii]
CHRISTIAN ORTHODOXY AND THE FOUNDERS 
Just some of the cited and excerpted sources used in this over all article
There are duplications in some instances, in most I tried to eliminate the
duplications.
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        Edwin S. Gaustad, Faith of Our Fathers: Religion and the New
Nation, San Francisco: Harper & Row, 1987, p. 38. Jefferson proposed his
language in 1776.) 

===========================================================
  JEFFERSON
Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, April 21, 1803
Jefferson to Charles Thomson, January 9, 1816
Jefferson to Ezra Stiles, June 25, 1819
Jefferson to William Canby, Sept. 18, 1813
Jefferson to William Short, Oct. 31, 1819
Jefferson to William Short, April 13, 1820
Jefferson to E. Dowse, April 19, 1803
Jefferson to Charles Clay, Jan. 29, 1815
Jefferson to F.A. Van Der Kemp, April 25, 1816
To Mrs. M. Harrison Smith, August 6, 1816.
Thomas Jefferson, letter toThomas Law, June 13, 1814. 
ME 14:138
http://www.soncom.com/psonnek/quotes.html
President John Quincy Adams on Thomas Jefferson, 1831]
"The Writings of Thomas Jefferson" , published by G. P. Putnam's Sons,
in 1894.:
All of the following can be found on a CD that you can order from 

BANK OF WISDOM - Rare Books on CD-ROM
http://www.bank-of-wisdom.com/

Especially CD #7  - America - The Historic Facts,  and 
CD #9 The Writings of Thomas Jefferson. 
>From CD # 7

THE RELIGIOUS CORRESPONDENCE of THOMAS JEFFERSON
(In Context)
"REBELLION TO TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE TO GOD" Motto on Jefferson's seal
Compiled by Emmett F. Fields

 Table of Contents

 DATE    To/from    Page

1763 - July 15.   John Page        1
1786 - August 13.   George Wythe       2
1786 - August 20.   Comte De Mirabeau       4
1786 - Decenber 17.   Charles Thompson       5
1787 - July 23.   Mrs. John Bolling       6
1787 - August 10.   Peter Carr        7
1788 - February 2.   William Rutledge     10
1788 - July 31.   James Madison     11
1789 - January 8.   Dr. Price      13
1789 - June 18.   James Madison     15
1789 - March 13.   Francis Hopkinson     17
1789 - June 18.   James Madison     18
1794 - May 1.    Trench Coxe      20
1798 - March 2.   James Madison     21
1798 - March 29.   James Madison     21
1799 - January 26.   Elbridge Gerry     22
1800 - January 27.   Joseph Priestley     26
1800 - January 31.   Bishop James Madison    27
1800 - May 26.   Peter Carr      28
1800 - August 13.   Uriah Mcgregory     29
1800 - May 26.   James Monroe     30
1800 - August 14.   Jeremiah Moor     31
1800 - September 23.   Benjamin Rush     32
1801 - January 10.   Dr. Hugh Williamson     34
1801 - March 6.   John Dickinson     35
1801 - March 21.   Joseph Priestley     36
1801 - March 23.   Moses Robinson     37
1801 - March 29.   Elbridge Gerry     38
1801 - May 3.    Gideon Granger     39
1801 - July 21.   Pierpont Edwards     40
1801 - August 26.   Levi Lincoln      41
1801 - December 5.   Rev. Issac Story     42
1802 - January 1.   Levi Lincoln      43
1802 - January 1.   Danbury Baptist     43
 1802 - June 19.   Joseph Priestley     44
1803 - April 9.   Joseph Priestley     46
1803 - April 19.   Edward Dowse     47
1803 - April 21.   Benjamin Rush     48
1803 - April 23.   Benjamin Rush     51
1803 - May 20.   Gideon Granger     52
1804 - January 29.   Joseph Priestley     53
1804 - May 21.   Henry Fry      54
1804 - June 17.   Henry Fry      55
1805 - February 8.   C.F.C. De Volney     56
1807 - February 11.   Thomas Seymour     58
1807 - July 9.    Thomas Cooper     59
1807 - November 18.   Capt. John Thomas     59
1808 - January 23.   Rev. Samuel Miller     60
1808 - October 17.   Baltimore Baptist     61
1808 - October 18.   Ketocton Baptist     62
1808 - November 21.   Six Baptists Assoc.     63
1808 - December 9.   Methodist Episcopal Ch.    64
1809 - January 21.   Thomas Leiper     65
1809 - February 4.   New London Methodist    66
1809 - April 7.   Gov. James Jay     67
1809 - May 19.   John Wyceh      67
1809 - June 13.   Wilson C. Nicholas     68
1809 - September 27.   James Fishback     70
1810 - January 19.   William Baldwin     71
1810 - January 19.   Samuel Kercheval     71
1810 - October 9.   Capt. Isaac Hillard     73
1811 - April 13.   Gen. Thaddeus Kosciusko    73
1811 - April 15.   Dupont De Nemours     74
1811 - May 26.   Anne C. Bankhead     75
1811 - August 4.   James Ogilvie      76
1812 - June 11.   John Adams      77
1912 - December 27.   Dr. Robert Patterson     80
1813 - June 10.   John Adams (from)     80
1813 - June 14.   John Adams (from)     82
1813 - June 15.   John Adams      83
1813 - June 28.   John Adams (from)     84
1813 - July 9.    John Adams (from)     87
1813 - July 14.   Dr. Samuel Brown (from)    89
1813 - July 16.   John Adams      90
1813 - July 18.   John Adams (from)     92
1813 - August 22.   John Adams      93
1813 - September 14.   John Adams (from)     95
1813 - September 18.   William Canby     98
1813 - September 22.   John Adams (from)     99
1813 - October 13.   John Adams    101
1813 - October 28.   John Adams    104
1813 - November 15.   John Adams (from)   107
1813 - December 3.   John Adams (from)   109
 1813 - December 6.   Baron Von Humboldt   112
1813 - December 25.   John Adams (from)   114
1814 - January 24.   John Adams    117
1814 - January 31.   Samuel Greenhow   121
1814 - February ?.   John Adams (from)   122
1814 - February 10.   Thomas Cooper   125
1814 - March 17.   Horato G. Spafford   126
1814 - April 28.   Chev. Luis De Onis   127
1814 - June 13.   ?     128
1814 - July 5.    John Adams    131
1814 - July 16.   John Adams (from)   134
1814 - September 26.   Miles King    137
1815 - January 29.   Charles Clay    138
1815 - March 13.   P.H. Wendover   140
1815 - June 22.   John Adams (from)   142
1815 - August 24.   John Adams (from)   145
1816 - January 9.   Charles Thompson   147
1816 - January 10.   Horato Gates Spafford  148
1816 - January 21.   Thomas Ritchie   150
1816 - February 2.   John Adams (from)   151
1816 - March 2.   John Adams (from)   153
1816 - April 8.   John Adams    155
1816 - April 25.   F.A. Van der Kemp   158
1816 - May 3.    John Adams (from)   159
1816 - May 6.    John Adams (from)   162
1816 - August 1.   John Adams    164
1816 - August 6.   Mrs. M. Harrison Smith  165
1816 - August 9.   John Adams (from)   166
1816 - November 11.   Mathew Carey   168
1816 - November 12.   George Logan    168
1817 - January 11.   John Adams    169
1817 - January 29.   Charles Thompson   170
1817 - March 16.   Francis A. Van der Kemp  171
1817 - May ?.    George Ticknor   172
1817 - May 1.    Francis A. Van der Kemp  173
1817 - May 5.    John Adams    174
1817 - May 14.   Marq. De La Fayette   176
1817 - May 18.   John Adams (from)   177
1817 - May 26.   John Adams (from)   179
1817 - June 16.   Albert Gallatin   180
1818 - February 9.   Francis A. Von der Kemp  182
1818 - April 11.   Albert Gallatin   185
1818 - May 28.   Rabbi Mordecai M. Noah  187
1819 - June 25.   Ezra Styles    187
1819 - October 31.   William Short    188
1820 - March 14.   John Adams    191
1820 - April 13.   William Short    193
1820 - May 16.   Gen. Robert Taylor   195
1820 - August 4.   William Short    197
 1820 - August 14.   Thomas Cooper   200
1820 - August 15.   John Adams    203
1820 - November 4.   Rev. Jared Sparks   206
1821 - January 22.   John Adams    207
1821 - February 22.   Joseph C. Cabell   208
1821 - February 27.   Timothy Pickering   209
1821 - September 24.   John Adams (from)   210
1822 - June 5.    Rev. Thomas Whittemore  211
1822 - June 26.   Benjamin Waterhouse  212
1822 - July 19.   Benjamin Waterhouse  213
1822 - November 2.   Thomas Cooper   214
1822 - December 8.   James Smith    216
1823 - April 11.   John Adams    217
1823 - May 29.   Michael Megear   220
1823 - May 30.   James Cooper    221
1823 - August 15.   John Adams (from)   222
1823 - December 2.   John Fry    224
1823 - December 4.   William Carver   224
1823 - December 11.   Thomas Cooper   225
1824 - January 10.   Thomas Jefferson Grotjan  226
1824 - January 11.   Francis A. Van der Kemp  227
1824 - January 18.   John Davis    228
1824 - February 25.   Isaac Engelbrecht   230
1824 - March 24.   Augustus B. Woodward  230
1824 - June 5.    Maj. John Cartwright   232
1824 - October 15.   Edward Everett   236
1825 - January 8.   Benjamin Waterhouse  238
1825 - February 21.   Thomas Jefferson Smith  239
1825 - January 23.   John Adams (from)   240
1826 - June 24.   Roger C. Weightman   241

 Appendix

An Act for Establishing Elementary Schools     277
Anas, The         283
Autobiography of Thomas Jefferson, The     243
Doctrines of Jesus        286
Gazzett (Newspaper)        284
Gazzett Report, ** Part of       297
Notes of an Interview by Samuel Wuitcomb     288
Notes on Religion        268
Notes on Virginia        261
Syllabus of an Estimate of the Merit of the Life and Morals of Jesus,
(The so-called 'Jefferson Bible')      299
Thoughts on Lotteries       291
To the President and Directors of the Liberary Fund    285
Whether Christianity is Part of the Common Law?    255
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