Re: Government churches should be constitutionally rabid

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (ambrose searle aka richard gardiner) wrote:

>:|Carol Lee Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>:|> On 13 Nov 2003, ambrose searle wrote:
>:|> 
>:|> > Carol Lee Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>:|> > > On 12 Nov 2003, ambrose searle wrote:
>:|>  
>:|> > > > Carol Lee Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL 
>PROTECTED]>...
>:|>  
>:|> > > > > If it is demonstrably wrong, just demonstrate it with evidence.
>:|>  
>:|> > > > > Post citations to Madison/Luther links
>:|>  
>:|> > > > > here ---------------->
>:|>  
>:|> > > > Sure thing.
>:|>  
>:|> > > > 1. Allison claims (or at least implies at the link above) that Madison
>:|> > > > never mentioned Luther...
>:|>  
>:|> > > Implies in what way?
>:|>  
>:|> > > > 2. Madison mentioned Luther:
>:|> > > > http://personal.pitnet.net/primarysources/madisonluther.html
>:|>  
>:|> > > > Done.
>:|>  
>:|> > > I would like to see the original or else I would like to see a link which
>:|> > > is not of your own manufacture.
>:|>  
>:|> > LOL. How's Allison's page for a piece of "my manufacture"?--
>:|>  
>:|> > http://members.tripod.com/~candst/ref4.htm
>:|> 
>:|> Thanks for that one.  Curious you didn't offer it in the first place.
>:|> 
>:|> > > > Now, Carol, of course you will find some sort of fault with this very
>:|> > > > simple demonstration of Allison's error, because that's how you are.
>:|> > > > You make challenges, and when they're met, you move the goalposts.
>:|>  
>:|> > > I am moving the goalpost.  I am moving it to a place where you provide a
>:|> > > link which is not something you have designed.
>:|>  
>:|> > Here's your guru's site.... he is infallible. LOL:
>:|> > http://members.tripod.com/~candst/ref4.htm
>:|> 
>:|> Thanks for that one.  Curious you didn't offer it in the first place.
>:|>                          
>:|> Now what was it you were thinking this proves for you?
>:|
>:|It's all part of the thread. I can hold your hand for you, but I can't
>:|do the thinking for you as well.
>:|
>:|You challenged me to post a link that shows Madison invoked Luther as
>:|the one who led the way in distinguishing between church and state.
>:|
>:|This link does it: http://members.tripod.com/~candst/ref4.htm


This one is far better:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=387669cf.12171966%40news.exis.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain

 My Reply will be found in the newly posted article
Christian Orthodoxy And The Founders
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/orthodox.htm

>:|Allison cannot show, however, that Madison didn't have a personal
>:|disdain for atheism and non-religion. He did. It's a fact. He even
>:|doubted the possibility of true atheism (see Madison to Jasper Adams
>:|http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/jasper.htm).

For context purposes:

    *The Jasper Adams Saga
          o Introduction
          o Jasper Adams Sermon: Relation of Christianity to Civil
Government, First Edition
http://candst.tripod.com/jasp1.htm

          o Jasper Adams Sermon, First Edition
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/jasp1.htm

          o The letters to and from Jasper Adams. 
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/jaspltrs.htm

o Rebuttal to Jasper Adams Sermon, Immunity of Religion 
http://candst.tripod.com/jasprebut.htm

          o Jasper Adams Sermon: Second Edition
http://candst.tripod.com/jasp2.htm

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Now for Ambrose Searle AKA Richard Gardiner's rambling discourse I add
this:  

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[as Gray Shockley said:]
 (Your "opinion" is not an  adequate citation.)
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 "Dave Thompson" said to another but it can be applied to Ambrose Searle
AKA Richard Gardiner as well
Ummmm, you are a historical troll that has been posting this dreck for a
while now. It doesn't matter if you stopped for a while or not. None of
your posts are new, they're just the same thing you've posted before and
have been shown to be baseless. You obviously don't like it when you've
been caught right in the beginning. I'm sure it won't stop you but at least
it serves notice to others that aren't familiar with you who they are
dealing with.
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Take anything that Ambrose Searle aka Richard Gardiner types with a grain
of salt. As he has demonstrated time and time again in the past of several
years ago, the past of a year and half ago and finally quite recently,
truth and him with regards to posting are not on speaking terms.

 MY EVIDENCE:

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Gardiner AKA Searle's church state posting history covering 3-99 to 902,
5/02 - 7/02 and this current year
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N16F22596
http://snurl.com/2ws8
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q54F21596 (up to date as of 11/18/03)

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http://makeashorterlink.com/?I2AF32596
http://snurl.com/2wsb
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