Re: Government churches should be constitutionally rabid

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (ambrose searle AKA richard gardiner) wrote:

>:|Carol Lee Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>:|> On 12 Nov 2003, ambrose searle wrote:
>:|> 
>:|> > There is nothing on the page Allison linked that deals with my claim
>:|> > above, viz., that Madison credited Luther with being the individual
>:|> > who "led the way," etc.
>:|>  
>:|> > The only thing close is a further link contained on that page in which
>:|> > Allison claims that Madison never mentioned Luther
>:|> > http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&selm=an_566845179
>:|>  
>:|> > (which is demonstrably wrong)
>:|> 
>:|> If it is demonstrably wrong, just demonstrate it with evidence.
>:|> 
>:|> Post citations to Madison/Luther links
>:|> 
>:|> here ---------------->
>:|
>:|Sure thing.
>:|
>:|1. Allison claims (or at least implies at the link above) that Madison
>:|never mentioned Luther...
>:|
>:|2. Madison mentioned Luther:
>:|http://personal.pitnet.net/primarysources/madisonluther.html
>:|
>:|Done.
>:|
>:|Now, Carol, of course you will find some sort of fault with this very
>:|simple demonstration of Allison's error, because that's how you are.
>:|You make challenges, and when they're met, you move the goalposts.
>:|
>:|It's the last refuge of an atheist without the facts on her side.
>:|
>:|Searle AKA Gardiner


Luther letter etc

 http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2DB32F86

http://makeashorterlink.com/?R1CB52F86

Otherwise:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (ambrose searle aka richard gardiner) wrote:

>:|[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>:|>
>:|> Thus, factually speaking James Madison was the man who was most responsible
>:|> for the separation of church and state which flourishes in this country
>:|
>:|Agreed. Madison, however, credited Martin Luther with being the
>:|individual who "led the way" in paving the road for this distinction.
>:|
>:|http://personal.pitnet.net/primarysources/madisonluther.html

(1) Gardiner AKA Searle is giving a URL to one of his own old web sites

(2) My Reply will be found in the newly posted article
Christian Orthodoxy And The Founders
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/orthodox.htm
in the following  article URL found in that newly posted article

TO F. L. Schaeffer (only mention of Luther in any of Madison's writings
found to date) and references to Blackstone in Madison's writings
[12-30-99]
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=387669cf.12171966%40news.exis.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain

>:|
>:|Allison cannot show, however, that Madison didn't have a personal
>:|disdain for atheism and non-religion. He did. It's a fact. He even
>:|doubted the possibility of true atheism (see Madison to Jasper Adams
>:|http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/jasper.htm).

For context purposes:

    *The Jasper Adams Saga
          o Introduction
          o Jasper Adams Sermon: Relation of Christianity to Civil
Government, First Edition
http://candst.tripod.com/jasp1.htm

          o Jasper Adams Sermon, First Edition
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/jasp1.htm

          o The letters to and from Jasper Adams. 
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/jaspltrs.htm

o Rebuttal to Jasper Adams Sermon, Immunity of Religion 
http://candst.tripod.com/jasprebut.htm

          o Jasper Adams Sermon: Second Edition
http://candst.tripod.com/jasp2.htm

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 My Reply will be found in the newly posted article
Christian Orthodoxy And The Founders
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/orthodox.htm


>:|James Madison was a great Christian man who took the principles of the
>:|Reformation and applied them to Civil Government.
>:|
>:|This is all well articulated by Dr. Jim Smylie's excellent article in
>:|the Princeton University Chronicle "Madison and Witherspoon:
>:|Theological Roots of American Political Thought," Vol. XXII, No. 3
>:|(Spring, 1961).

 My Reply will be found in the newly posted article
Christian Orthodoxy And The Founders
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/orthodox.htm

>:|Ambrose Searle AKA Richard Gardiner.

Now for A.S. AKA R. G.'s rambling discourse I add this:  

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[as Gray Shockley said:]
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Take anything that Ambrose Searle aka Richard Gardiner types with a grain
of salt. As he has demonstrated time and time again in the past of several
years ago, the past of a year and half ago and finally quite recently,
truth and him with regards to posting are not on speaking terms.

 MY EVIDENCE:
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