Re: Government schools should be constitutionally banned

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Clark) wrote:

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>:|> THE TROLL IS BACK
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>:|The troll never left.
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>:|M. Clark
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It is nice you finally admit that which all have known all along, you are a
troll.

It is also noted that you didn't address or even acknowledge any of the
information provided  to paint a more accurate and more complete picture of
Jefferson and his beliefs with regards to church. state, religion and govt,
etc. 

Nor other founders. 

Here are some of those previous discussions between you and me:  Included
are comments about your two jefferson quotes and other items.

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ft07kv07sk454kf165uie5ltbrfjvvhr9f%404ax.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
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JUST A TINY PORTION OF WHAT IS OUT THERE

Thomas Jefferson on Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/qjeffson.htm

Jefferson on Religion Flourishing on its Own Merits
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/merits.htm

  Jefferson wrote in his Notes on the State of Virginia: "Instead therefore
of putting the Bible and Testament into the hands of the children, at an
age when their judgments are not sufficiently matured for religious
enquiries, their memories may here be stored with the most useful facts
from Grecian, Roman, European and American history."
[DID] Thomas Jefferson supported Bible reading in school; this is proven by
his service as the first president of the Washington, D.C. public schools,
which used the Bible and Watt's Hymns as textbooks for reading.
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/arg6.htm

Another Jefferson Quote Debunked
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/jefschl1.htm

Jefferson, Religion, and the Public Schools.
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/jeffschl.htm

Jefferson's Declaration of Independence did not use the word "Creator"
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/doitj.htm

Joseph Story's ongoing war with Thomas Jefferson
http://candst.tripod.com/joestor3.htm

79. A Bill for the More General Diffusion of Knowledge (1778) 
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/jefflaw1.htm

80. A Bill for Amending the Constitution of the College of William and
Mary, and Substituting More Certain Revenues for Its Support (1779) 
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/jefflaw2.htm

81. A Bill for Establishing a Public Library (1779) 
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/jefflaw3.htm

[DID] Thomas Jefferson actually said that the wall of separation between
church and state was "one directional."
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/arg3.htm

Jefferson's Danbury letter was written merely to assure Connecticut
Baptists that the Constitution did not permit the establishment of a
national denomination.
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/arg12.htm

Jefferson's Danbury letter was written to address the Danbury Baptists'
fears that the First Amendment might be misinterpreted.
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/arg13.htm

Jefferson's letter to Benjamin Rush shows that Jefferson was a
non-preferentialist.
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/arg14.htm

Thomas Jefferson on Religious Freedom
Jefferson's Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom in the
State of Virginia
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7842/rfindex.htm
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/statute.htm

Thomas Jefferson on Politics & Government
52. Freedom of Religion 
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1650.htm

Thomas Jefferson on Religion
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1777/jefferson.html

    THOMAS JEFFERSON ON CHRISTIANITY &  RELIGION
Compiled by Jim Walker
http://www.nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm

Thomas Jefferson on Religion
http://www.mikehersh.com/article_30.shtml

Thomas Jefferson on religion
http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrights/religion/jefferson-religion.html

Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (1786)
Thomas Jefferson
http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrights/religion/va-religiousfreedom.html

The Real Jefferson on Religion by Robert S. Alley 
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/alley_18_4.html

The Letters of Thomas Jefferson: 1743-1826
RELIGION AND THE UNIVERSITY
To Dr. Thomas Cooper Monticello, November 2, 1822
DEAR SIR,
http://grid.let.rug.nl/~usa/P/tj3/writings/brf/jefl270.htm


The Letters of Thomas Jefferson: 1743-1826
RELIGIOUS FREEDOM
To Rev. Samuel Miller Washington, Jan. 23, 1808
http://grid.let.rug.nl/~usa/P/tj3/writings/brf/jefl183.htm

Thomas Jefferson's Letters on Liberty and Religion
http://www.sullivan-county.com/identity/jeff_letters.htm

Jefferson's Note on Virginia  (religion)
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/JEFFERSON/ch17.html

THE Jefferson Bible
The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth
Extracted Textually from the Gospels
Compiled by Thomas Jefferson
Edited by Eyler Robert Coates, Sr. 
[a decent version, not the most accurate ]
http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/

Thomas Jefferson
http://www.uua.org/uuhs/duub/articles/thomasjefferson.html

Thomas Jefferson: A UU Perspective
Was Jefferson a Unitarian?
http://www.2think.org/tj.shtml

Thomas Jefferson: The Sphere of Religion
http://search.eb.com/elections/pri/Q00074.html

Jefferson and Religion--Google search
http://snurl.com/2pse

And last but by no means least:

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Another view of America and it's founders and founding:

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