Re: Frustration of 'doing' vs 'trying' (continued)

"Gremlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
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> > "white rabbit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> >>
> >> For me, success means growing in areas of my values for maximising my
> >> happiness daily.  Failure means increasing psyche death leading to
> >> physical death.
> >>
> >> Failure I do not want.  So how do I move towards success, eliminating
> >> failure, and live frustration free.  My answer is that 'frustration
> >> free' must be understood relatively and contextually to the bounds of
> >> the anticivilisation.
> >
> >> We can never be completely frustration free in the anticivilisation,
> >> nor can we live without 'trying'.
> >
> > Yes, we can.  "Success" and "failure" are our own inventions.  They
> > don't exist outside of a particular mindset.
> >
> > Once you can let go of "success" and "failure", you can eliminate
> > frustration and live without trying.
> >
>
> By admitting he has frustration, it does not have as much power overhim.
> Resisting his creations would only make them stronger.
>
> >> The concept of 'doing without
> >> trying' points us in the direction of the supercivilisation when we
> >> are psychologically clear of self-dishonesties, laziness, and
> >> suppressions.
> >
> > Your first concern should not be converting the infidels.  Your first
> > concern should be clearing up your own problem with frustration.
> >
>
> What makes you think he is not taking care of himself?  I don't read him
> saying anything about any infidels either.  If he did indeed decide to
> remove frustration his decision to do it by accepting his frustration
seems
> like a better approach than resisting it like you seem to be telling him
to
> do.
>
> >> For living now, successfully, we must strive to minimise frustrations
> >> via wide-scope understandings and applying lots of EFFORT in TRYING,
> >> until the amount of effortful trying reduces for each thing we want
> >> to learn, do, have, experience, create.
> >
> > You can't climb out of a hole by digging yourself in more deeply.
>
> Common sense, but I don't see how it aplies to his message.
>
> >
> >> 'do, do not, there is no try' is cute, and a powerful concept to use
> >> as a tool, but it is only a tool.  Tools must be used to sharpen our
> >> wits, not mess them up.  Look beyond all boundaries, reach for
> >> transcendence, but not irrationally so.  Stay within the confines of
> >> self-honesty.  Find your golden mean... As I am 'trying' to 'do'.
> >
> > To give up trying, you must not be afraid to die.
>
> Are you suggesting he trys to do that? Or does he need to give up on
trying
> in order to not be afraid to die?
>