Re: Frustration of 'doing' vs 'trying' (continued)

"Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
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> "white rabbit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> For me, success means growing in areas of my values for maximising my
>> happiness daily.  Failure means increasing psyche death leading to
>> physical death.
>>
>> Failure I do not want.  So how do I move towards success, eliminating
>> failure, and live frustration free.  My answer is that 'frustration
>> free' must be understood relatively and contextually to the bounds of
>> the anticivilisation.
> 
>> We can never be completely frustration free in the anticivilisation,
>> nor can we live without 'trying'.
> 
> Yes, we can.  "Success" and "failure" are our own inventions.  They
> don't exist outside of a particular mindset.
> 
> Once you can let go of "success" and "failure", you can eliminate
> frustration and live without trying.
> 

By admitting he has frustration, it does not have as much power overhim.
Resisting his creations would only make them stronger.

>> The concept of 'doing without
>> trying' points us in the direction of the supercivilisation when we
>> are psychologically clear of self-dishonesties, laziness, and
>> suppressions.
> 
> Your first concern should not be converting the infidels.  Your first
> concern should be clearing up your own problem with frustration.
> 

What makes you think he is not taking care of himself?  I don't read him 
saying anything about any infidels either.  If he did indeed decide to 
remove frustration his decision to do it by accepting his frustration seems 
like a better approach than resisting it like you seem to be telling him to 
do.

>> For living now, successfully, we must strive to minimise frustrations
>> via wide-scope understandings and applying lots of EFFORT in TRYING,
>> until the amount of effortful trying reduces for each thing we want
>> to learn, do, have, experience, create.
> 
> You can't climb out of a hole by digging yourself in more deeply.

Common sense, but I don't see how it aplies to his message.

> 
>> 'do, do not, there is no try' is cute, and a powerful concept to use
>> as a tool, but it is only a tool.  Tools must be used to sharpen our
>> wits, not mess them up.  Look beyond all boundaries, reach for
>> transcendence, but not irrationally so.  Stay within the confines of
>> self-honesty.  Find your golden mean... As I am 'trying' to 'do'.
> 
> To give up trying, you must not be afraid to die.

Are you suggesting he trys to do that? Or does he need to give up on trying  
in order to not be afraid to die?