Re: Frustration of 'doing' vs 'trying' (continued)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (white rabbit) wrote in
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> Subject: Frustration of 'doing' vs 'trying' (continued)
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (white rabbit)
> Newsgroups: misc.creativity,alt.magick
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> Following up on
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> 
> Tom illustrated the difference between doing vs trying nicely.  It is
> still something to play with, for, I think 'trying' and 'frustration'
> is good, necessary, important, and valuable.. atleast within the
> bounds of the current anticivilisation.
> 
> Frustration I have indulged in a great deal.  Tom suggests letting go
> of the lust of results, and instead doing the thing without regard to
> success or failure.

That doesn't sound like Tom to me.
 
> I wonder if Kirby read Tom's reply, and what was made of it.
> 
> For me, success means growing in areas of my values for maximising my
> happiness daily.  Failure means increasing psyche death leading to
> physical death.

Death isn't a failure imho, you can maximise happiness even in a coffin.
Still your deffinition of success is fine.

> Failure I do not want.  So how do I move towards success, eliminating
> failure, and live frustration free.  My answer is that 'frustration
> free' must be understood relatively and contextually to the bounds of
> the anticivilisation.

I like your webpage btw.

> We can never be completely frustration free in the anticivilisation,
> nor can we live without 'trying'.  The concept of 'doing without
> trying' points us in the direction of the supercivilisation when we
> are psychologically clear of self-dishonesties, laziness, and
> suppressions.

Trying without doing, as is often done in the 'anticivilisation' has value 
too.  That is what hope is about.  One can still have hope when up against 
impossible obstacles, one can still try.  That hope, the fact that one 
trys, has value even if futile.  When the box was opened and the suffering 
and evil unleashed on the world, all that was left inside the box was hope.  
What is more valuable than hope in a world that seems hopeless?  If one can 
entertain the belief in the possibility of doing when they try.  If one has 
hope for success...  They may find out that it was indeed possible to 
contain the evil in the box again... To create the supercivilisation as you 
call it.  If they did not have that belief in the possibility, in the hope 
for a happy ending, then the task because it seems impossible would never 
be done.  We need to give more people hope in the world today, and to do 
that you don't have to open another pandoras box.

> For living now, successfully, we must strive to minimise frustrations
> via wide-scope understandings and applying lots of EFFORT in TRYING,
> until the amount of effortful trying reduces for each thing we want to
> learn, do, have, experience, create.
'
> 'do, do not, there is no try' is cute, and a powerful concept to use
> as a tool, but it is only a tool.  Tools must be used to sharpen our
> wits, not mess them up.  Look beyond all boundaries, reach for
> transcendence, but not irrationally so.  Stay within the confines of
> self-honesty.  Find your golden mean... As I am 'trying' to 'do'.

Very wise rabbit.  I think you may be late for a very important date 
though.

 
> Embededly yours,
> - white rabbit
> http://supercivilisation.net
> 
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> From: Tom ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> Subject: Re: Core Aspects vs Physical Actions - my latest uncovering 
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> "Kirby Cook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> The "there is no try, only do or
>> not do" is still a fuzzy concept to me.
> 
> It becomes much easier to appreciate when you let go of the lust of
> result.
> 
>> I try and succeed, or try and fail.
> 
> Act without regard for whether you succeed or fail.  That's doing.
> 
>> When I do and do not, it's disconcerting, frustrating,
>> irritating, and altogether unpleasant.
> 
> Then it's not yet art.  It's only practice.  Practice is always a
> little
> frustrating and unpleasant.
>