Re: And why. . .?

Julie wrote:

> mpresley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote 

>> > Why would a man
>> > be more or less able
>>>to appreciate Wotan's predicament?
>  
>> 
>> I never argued this.
> 
> Forgive me, but it seemed that you did when you wrote " When women
> look at Wotan
> they probably tend to take Fricka's side. "

I'm thinking that if a wife finds her husband out with the Earth Mother, or
even just the waitress in the local coffee shop, she is going to be pretty
angry, upset, and disgusted, and he had better be prepared to do some
explaining.  I think most women in our society understand this almost
intuitively.  But, come to think of it, so do many men.  

On the other hand, there is no reason that either sex could not understand
Wotan's predicament sufficiently.


> Isn't Erde Brunhilde's mother? The step-parent relationship is really
> thorny. Fricka
> loathes Brunhilde. Correct me if I'm wrong as to their relationship.

No,,,you're absolutely correct about the heritage.  I was more or less
thinking of the relationship between Wotan's quest for knowledge vis-a-vis
the different women.  The familial relation is another aspect that is also
fun to ponder.  That's the great thing about the Ring.  It can be
appreciated on so many levels.

> It's clear to me that Wotan's relationship with Fricka has evolved
> from
> an earlier passionate love. As did his relationship with Erde. Am I
> mis-
> remembering the supertitles?

He reminds Fricka just how much he gave up for her.  So at that time he
certainly must have manifested something equally emotional towards her.  I
think you have to be correct that it was physical passion.  And maybe some
intellectual admiration, too, since she is obviously as sharp witted as he.
Just think how far she could have gone at manipulation if she'd only have
warmed up to Loge a little more! 

> All I wanted to say is that not all women are always Fricka-like.
> I wouldn't  presume to say whether or not all men are always
> Wotan-like.

I also agree with you about the "all" and "always".  But in these matters
we're dealing with myth and icons.  Stereotypes if you prefer.  There is
something universal in these Ring characters, and a bit resides in each of
us.  That's why it is so meaningful.

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