RE: the pop market

I guess I am an anomaly. I like everything from syrupy pop (Celine and
Clay) to very intense prog (Magma, King Crimson) and many types of music
in between (rock, blues, jazz, classical, Celtic, New Age). 

Perhaps Celine and Clay's music is disposable or commercial pop. That
statement is definitely debatable. But one thing that I can say for both
of them is that they are powerful and emotional singers that really know
how to deliver a song. I really enjoy and appreciate that aspect in both
of them.

As we all know, what comprises "good" music is a very subjective call.
It is my observation and opinion that those who tend to dig deeper for
their music sometimes under appreciate and poke fun at what is on the
surface. 

I love this newsgroup. I have met some really great people here and have
made some new friends. I have also been turned on to some of my favorite
new artists here (Louisa John-Krol, Kevin Bartlett and, of course,
Happy). However I must say that at times I see a bit of an elitist "We
are so much cooler than the average music listener" attitude here.
Sometimes it seems to me to be a bit unbecoming of the spirit of the
list.

I am normally not controversial in my posts here. I am trying to figure
out why I am making these statements at this point. What I have stated
above is just something I have noticed here over the past year or so.
Many of Ecto's former darlings now get a good deal of negative press
here. Examples being Sarah, Jewel and even Tori. Do they get the
negative press because their music is really not that good anymore OR
because they have gained mass acceptance and they aren't OUR darlings
anymore? Now we have to share them with the world and the reason is
because they SOLD OUT to commerciality. That is why they now have this
wider audience. I really wonder sometimes. Perhaps the answer is
somewhere in between.

At least the Fuzzy Blue environment is much more open and tolerant to
diverse musical styles compared to most other music discussion forums.

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Subject: Re: the pop market

I don't think any apologies are required for yammering or being
bombastic or
grumpy, your points were clear and concise, really. I agree with you in
that
I feel sorry for people who do not care to dig deeper in their
consumption
of music. Anyone content on a diet of Celine Dion or Clay Aiken is not
likely to be my first choice  for sparkling dinner conversation. Sad
fact is
that there are people in the world who just don't get all worked up
about
good music. Pity them ! - Russ

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From: "R.L Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:44 AM
Subject: the pop market


> >In a message dated 11/30/03 12:56:37 AM Central Standard Time,
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> ><< As for art vs. pop music, let's face it, there is always some
music
> >  being made for the joy of making music and some made for strictly
> >  commercial concerns.
>
> You made a lot of great points, and of course you're right in so many
ways.
> Of course we need some music that is not as serious as a heart attack,
and
> if I had been thinking clearly I wouldn't have been so bombastic in
that
> post, so I apologize for that.    Obviously, some brilliant music
appears
> and the taste for it is infectious.  I think "Hey Ya!" by Outkast is a
work
> of art.  Come to think of it, hip-hop is generated by
> writer/performers--perhaps the success of hip-hop itself is a
statement of
> boredom with formulaic pop?   I just wish those occasional flashes of
> brilliance in the pop world were not so isolated.
>
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