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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel Garry) wrote: > > >So what do you do if they are dumb-asses before they've been treated? > >:-) > > Re-examine your hiring and/or compensation practices. In other words, avoid > hiring dumb-asses in the first place. ;-) > > > >Seriously, some of the worst I've seen are newbies with a chip on > >their shoulder. They come at it with the attitude that the way they > > Newbies or wet-behind-the-ears young'uns fresh out of college that just need > to shut up and mature a bit? :-) > > > >Personally, I'd rather that developers be encouraged to be creative, > >with a filtering process that explicates Oracle's issues with > >attempted solutions (in a practical sense that means Explain Plan and > >code reviews, as Daniel points out). This tends to be at odds with > >classical formal design processes. > > What're "classical formal design processes?" Because I think code reviews > with an experienced DBA that provides developers with insight in how to do > things better should be welcomed... as long as the DBA isn't full of shatt (or > himself) and/or an ass about it. I think experienced developers would, at > least. The problem with code walk-throughs is that by the time they happen it is offen too late to change the design. Developers need to involve the DBA with a design walk-thru before code is written. In my experience the majority of the time the DBA does not see the code until there is a production performance problem. By then major design changes and different approaches are "too late". Just another challenge -- Mark D Powell --
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