Re: RFD: comp.databases.etl

A case of "if at first you don't succeed," eh?  I wish you luck this go 
around.

Two notes:

- The T in ETL is usually taken to be "transform," not "transfer." 
Transferring data is part of the Load step.

- And while ETL will be a bread-and-butter application for a while, in 
mindspace it's being overtaken by EII, Enterprise Information 
Integration.  I wonder if you shouldn't broaden the scope of your 
proposed newsgroup.

						Seth


Cara Altman wrote:

>                      REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
>                  unmoderated group comp.databases.etl
>
> This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
> world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup group.name. This is not a
> Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural
> details are below.
>
> Newsgroups line:
> comp.databases.etl      Extraction, transformation, loading issues.
>
> CHANGES from previous RFD
>
> Changes have been made based on discussions following the first
> release of this RFD on September 5, 2003. Changes include a new
> e-mail address for the proponent ([EMAIL PROTECTED] changed
> to [EMAIL PROTECTED]).
>
> A solid definition for ETL was requested. ETL stands for Extract-
> Transfer-Load, as in the extraction of data from a database and the
> transfer and loading of this data to a new database.
>
> This RFD has once failed a vote. It was asked "What has changed?"
> since that time. The proponent responded that she got some e-mails
> from readers who saw the RFD but didn't realize that it had failed.
> They asked where the newsgroup was. One e-mail suggested other
> groups to post to where there was discussion on ETL, which were
> included in the new RFD. Also, a popular magazine about data
> migration, www.dmreview.com, is soon publishing an edition that
> highlights ETL, which shows that it is indeed growing in popularity.
> It is also used in www.datawarehouse.com and www.
> datewarehousing.com, two major sources of info for those involved
> in data migration.
>
> The acronym ETL was questioned. There were some suggestions for
> other names, but none really struck a cord with anyone. Because
> ETL is an industry-standard, it makes sense to use it.
>
> RATIONALE: comp.databases.etl
>
> This newsgroup will be for the discussion of topics related to ETL: the
> extraction, transfer, and loading of data from one database to another.
> ETL is a known acronym to people who work with databases. It is
> used to represent the acquisition, integration used and mobility of
> data between systems and organizations.
>
> This newsgroup will be useful to those involved in the complex task
> of implementing data warehousing, customer relationship
> management (CRM), business intelligence (BI) and other data-centric
> projects. The newsgroup comp.databases touch on ETL issues, but
> these messages are scattered. When searching for ETL messages,
> postings were discovered scattered about numerous newsgroups:
>
> comp.databases
> comp.databases.ibm-db2
> comp.databases.sybase
> comp.databases.oracle.tools
> comp.databases.oracle.server
> comp.databases.oracle.misc
> comp.databases.oracle.tools
> comp.databases.oracle.server
> comp.databases.olap
> comp.infosystems.www.databases
> comp.infosystems.intranet
> comp.text.xml
> comp.infosystems.search
> comp.realtime
> comp.databases.informix
> comp.soft-sys.khoros
> comp.sys.hp.mpe
> microsoft.public.sqlserver.datawarehouse
> microsoft.public.oledb.olap
>
> This is not a complete list. There were so many messages to pour
> through, and the end of the search list seemed very far away.
> Messages were found dating back to 1997, but most seemed to be
> from the last two years. A commonly repeated question found was
> "Why use ETL tools? Which ones are good?"
>
> There are many complex issues surrounding the purchase or
> development of an ETL tool, cost, schedule, and effectiveness are
> probably the most common. This forum will aid those who are
> weighing their options about whether to build or buy. It will give
> users a place to express their opinions on what factors to consider
> when implementing an ETL solution, and what ETL tools best suit
> specific ETL needs. Additionally, the ETL knowledgebase can be
> expanded through the creation of its own forum.
>
> CHARTER: comp.databases.etl
>
> This forum provides a place for people to discuss ETL
> architectures. Participants can to correspond regardless of
> the type of project on which they are focused. Information is
> exchanged on evaluations of COTS (Commercial Off The Shelf
> Software) ETL tools, as well as the scope of developing custom ETL
> solutions. The term ETL has an industry track record of better than
> five years, and is commonly known in the RDBMS (relational
> database management system) market.
>
> This newsgroup provides an easy-to-find source for ETL users to go
> when they face a difficult ETL challenge and wish to obtain
> independent feedback.
>
> Commercial postings are discouraged. However, ETL tool vendors
> and solutions companies are welcome to add their opinions and
> to post answers or clarifications to discussions.
>
> Sample topics for discussion include:
>
> Data quality assessment/resolution
> Complex transformation templates
> Load balancing/management
> Data mapping
> XML support
> Error management
> Tool evaluation
> Custom solutions
> Technology tips & tricks
>
> END CHARTER.
>
> PROCEDURE:
>
> This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
> of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
> should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue
> for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
> proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call
> For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
> discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this
> happens.
>
> All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
>
> This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup
> creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet
> Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group
> Proposal".  Please refer to these documents (available in
> news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the
> process.
>
> DISTRIBUTION:
>
> This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
>
> news.announce.newgroups
> news.groups
> comp.databases
> comp.databases.olap
> comp.infosystems.www.databases
>
> Pointers will be posted to these newsgroups:
>
> comp.databases.ibm-db2
> comp.databases.sybase
> comp.databases.oracle.misc
> comp.databases.oracle.tools
> comp.databases.oracle.server
> comp.databases.informix
> comp.infosystems.intranet
> comp.text.xml
> comp.infosystems.search
> comp.realtime
> comp.soft-sys.khoros
> comp.sys.hp.mpe
>
> microsoft.public.sqlserver.datawarehouse
> microsoft.public.oledb.olap
> microsoft.public.data.oledb.olap
> microsoft.public.sqlserver.olap
> microsoft.public.commerceserver.datawarehousing
>
> Proponent: Cara Altman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>