Re: cracks question

"Alex Sh." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> "mikemcdermid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
alex

to qoute

You are an engineer, you need to feed your family, you
have customers, but they don't want your designs done on paper
anymore, they
want them done on Pro/E. And a 'legal' license of Pro/E costs 3 years'
worth
of your gross income (no exaggeration here, that's what it often comes
down
to in these countries)

my apologies if i have put myself across in the wrong way i had only
considered the western european point of view not some of the far
eastern countries where admittedly the larger companies are the only
ones who can afford the software apps and people like you and me who
are small and skilled dont really have a chance to get something off
the ground

my point which might be more relevant now i have seen your site is
that you are in a similar industry to me i also work in pharmaceutical
food and biotech related design industries providing barrier isolator
and equipment for producing drugs
so say for example i went head to head bidding on a contract for the
same job as yourself,now you have pro e with a legit license and i
have not i am using cracked software i have in effect robbed you of
potential earnings and income
if the contract comes my way that must p*** you off just slightly and
this is the thing im talking about

that is what i dont agree with and this does happen maybe just to
start a company you do a few jobs on the sly then buy the software but
sometimes people dont they carry on

now im considering in the early days i had to do any job to get to a
point where i have my chosen software it just annoys me the strugle
that i had to go through to get there and im sure in most cases many
people have to

i think upon reflection it boils down to being lucky we live on this
side of the world and after your comments perhaps there is an argument
that yes the software giants are only doing to less fortunate
economies what the software crackers are doing to them maybe they
should offer incentives and programs to get smaller less well funded
countries,companies up and running for less money as im sure that in
the far east there are very talented individuals who would love to get
that break and bring their companies,motivations and ideas to a
commercial audience.

so you changed my perspective if nothing else im not saying cracked
software is good but just dont like people taking the p*** with it







> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > lets be honest everyone has at some time had that little piece of
> > software they wanted to try but never had the money or could be arsed
> > with the demo which entitled you to be plagued by sales 20 times the
> > minute the demo period expired
> 
> Absolutely. Also, I see lots and lots of people use illegal licenses of
> office software. The excuse is usually something like 'screw Gates!', or
> 'I've paid for one license and feel that it should be nobody's business how
> many times I install it', or combination of the above, or some other similar
> nonsense. I personally will never pay what MS is asking for their office
> suite, or what Adobe is asking for Acrobat. I have the open-source
> replacements (OpenOffice and Ghostscript) that do everything I need and give
> me perfect compatibility with other people's files created in MS Office, all
> completely free. I think a lot of illegal software in this country exists
> not because people who use it are malicious, or because they can't pay for
> it, but because lots and lots of people are way too lazy to look for proper,
> legal ways to do what they want to do.
> >
> > however the industry on a whole needs to tighten up on security as a
> > whole instead of letting folks get away with it, also anyone that can
> > create a crack should surely be employed by the firms who do provide
> > security services but most of the people who can and do crack software
> > do it for personal reasons or for fun not financial they thrive on the
> > challenge not make $30 on a seat of software which they dont know how
> > to use.
> 
> Sorry, I believe you are totally wrong here.
> 1. The industry does NOT need to 'tighten up on security'. What it needs is
> more realistic pricing and more respect for its customers. The vast majority
> of people will do the right thing without being prodded by the so-called
> 'security features', simply because it is the right thing to do. But when
> you make their life a pain by charging insane prices and further
> inconvenience them by the 'security features' that are only good as a
> nuisance to honest customers (and will always remain just that, no matter
> how hard you try), then you can just create enough resentment for people to
> start deliberately ripping your product off.
> 2. Most of the cracking is done in the countries like China, Russia, and
> India, where there are lots of people with education and skills to do it,
> but nowhere near enough honest, well-paying work for them. Also, the cracked
> software has a large market there because at their level of prices,
> salaries, and living expenses the 'legal' price that is already exorbitant
> by the US standards becomes stark ravening insane. Yes, most people are
> still good people, but if you put enough negative incentive in front of
> them, the temptation will be too much. Try to imagine yourself in the
> following situation. You are an engineer, you need to feed your family, you
> have customers, but they don't want your designs done on paper anymore, they
> want them done on Pro/E. And a 'legal' license of Pro/E costs 3 years' worth
> of your gross income (no exaggeration here, that's what it often comes down
> to in these countries, especially since the US software companies often sell
> their software there for MORE money than here). Now add to that the fact
> that financing is often totally unavailable, or available at rates like
> 18-25%, and tell me: are you sure you want to blame these people? And are
> you sure that with that kind of cost incentive there is ANYTHING, anything
> at all, that can be done to stop them? I personally don't think so.
> >
> > i  personally dont mind cracked software if students are using it to
> > learn on or just to try so be it, what i do mind is people who provide
> > design services similar to myself and using bent software now i would
> > like to kick the living daylights out of em i paid for my legitimate
> > license as it is  the tool of my trade i make money from it and this
> > is the trade off of cost per seat if i catch someone doing that i
> > report em if its harmless fun then just dont cross the legal line
> >
> 
> No argument here. I feel about the same. I probably would not be so fast to
> report the offender, but that's my personal upbringing speaking (when I was
> growing up one of the rules that were strongly emphasized to me was 'the
> snitch gets the first whip', if you know what I mean...)