Re: So called "copyright" pictures

On 25 Nov 2003 03:59:36 GMT, the renowned Grant Edwards
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>
>>>If you wanted the copyrights and negatives, you should have
>>>paid for that up front.  I think it's utterly iniquitous that
>>>other people have Porsche Boxters and I don't.  That doesn't
>>>give me the right to take one.
>> 
>> The fact that a lot of people here who are involved in
>> creating IP
>
>Are referring to the people attending the wedding as "involved
>in creating IP"?

I'm talking about software, as the laws are similar, I'd expect we'd
(in c.a.e.) be more knowledgable than the average bear. 

>> are not aware that they don't own the photos is an indication
>> that there's something wrong...
>
>I guess so.  Too many people are signing things without reading
>them.  Too many people enterying business arrangements without
>finding out what's going on.

Of course most people probably don't think in terms of copyright law
and contract law and business arrangements when they just want a photo
made. 

>> probably the photographers would like to have it both ways
>> when they should be more up front about who owns what at the
>> end of the day.
>
>They've always been perfectly up front about it when I've dealt
>with them.  Perhaps some aren't.

They actually *volunteer* the information (use their precious time to
educate the consumer, possibly to their detriment)?  I think not. Of
course they would CTA in the boilerplate. 

>> Maybe some of them will need to change their business model to
>> charge more for the photography and unbundle the prints. 
>
>If you ask, I'm sure you could come to an arrangement where you
>can find a photographer who will work for an hourly rate and
>leve the exposed film with you.  It'll probably be a something
>on the order of $150-$200 an hour with a 4 hour minumum.

Some could get a LOT more (especially good product photographers, who
are worth their weight in gold), but IME most of them deservedly make
considerably less than that, all told. There are not that many Yousuf
Karshs out there. Also, it's not like I'm likely going to come back 5
years later for a reprint of a portrait, and they have to store the
negatives like I might. If one won't do a work for hire, another will,
just like any other business involving a skilled professional. The
copy prevention techniques may help boost consumer awareness and
hasten the unbundling of the services, probably to the eventual
benefit of all. 

Best regards, 
Spehro Pefhany
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