Re: Creativity

"Lester Zick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On 30 Nov 2003 17:37:30 GMT, Neil W Rickert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in
> comp.ai.philosophy wrote:
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lester Zick) writes:
> >>On 30 Nov 2003 02:32:06 GMT, Neil W Rickert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in
> >>comp.ai.philosophy wrote:
> >
> [. . .]
> >
> >>What I will point out for general edification is that everything that
> >>is a property whether seen, thought about, or considered in any way
> >>whatsoever is seen, thought about, and considered within the envelope
> >>of the brain. In other words there is no specifically objective
> >>reality outside the brain/mind complex. And everything we know and can
> >>know of reality inside or outside the brain/mind complex takes place
> >>right in the brain/mind complex.
> >
> >This sounds like the solipsist's manifesto.
>
> Why do I get the distinct impression you feel more comfortable
> discussing things in personally abusive terms? Where do you think
> perception, cognition, and the results of those processes occur? In
> outer space just because you're looking at the moon?

Lester, I am sure Neil was not being abusive here; your position as stated
is very solipsist.

That is not necessarily invidious!

But it is how the term is defined - that reality is in the brain and we
can't be assured of any reality outside brain because brain is alsways the
mediator.

But that is why we have the notion of science - to see if what I observe is
what others obsrve too; if so, then it can be said that we are observing the
same thing 'out there'.

ANd as myfourplex of 'cepts' outlines, a recept has a transmiter and a
receiver. The transmitter is outside brain.

Now the 'essence' of what that is outseide brain - the ding an sich - is
difficult to know even in principle - given all the aspects that must
compose any object/process in Unviverse - and even with intrumentalities, we
do not have the capacity to know/experience/underestand them all (or all at
once).



> >
> >>Now this succinct declaration may startle some people in science. But
> >>I assure you this is exactly what happens. There is a reality outside
> >
> >And why should I pay any attention to the assurances of a
> >self-proclaimed solipsist?  You have, in essence, asserted your
> >inability to make assurances about anything other than what exists in
> >the reality created by your own brain.  And since I have no access to
> >the creations of your brain, why should I consider such assurances to
> >have any relevance?
>
> You don't read so well do you. No wonder you have such a problem with
> behaviorists. Well you certainly have access to this creation of my
> mind: KMA & AMF.
> >
>
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>
> Regards - Lester
>