Re: Revisiting Kurzweil

"Don Geddis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Ray Gardener" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > [Ray Kurzweil] imagined a patient needing part of his brain replaced
with a
> > synthetic equivalent -- artificial neurons. The replacement is such that
> > the patient feels no differently after the surgery.
> > As time goes on, more and more of the patient's brain needs similar
> > treatment. It reaches the point where there is only a single original
> > organic neuron remaining and the rest are now all synthetic. And yet, at
no
> > time does the patient feel differently than his usual self.
> > So Kurzweil asks, what happens if the last neuron is replaced? Does the
> > patient lose the ability to have subjective experience? Does he become
> > merely a machine zombie? Or does he carry on, no less human than before?
>
> This is a Turing argument again.  "Merely a machine zombie" reveals that
you
> don't accept so-called "strong AI", since Turing's original point was that
> any mechanism which acted sufficiently intelligent actually _was_ that
> intelligent.
>
> > If we define such a neuron to be one that only mimics the measurable
> > physical behaviors of organic neurons (electrochemical signals), then I
> > think the patient would find himself gradually losing subjective
experience.
> > Somewhere along the way, for example, he would become color blind as the
> > redness of red would be beyond his appreciation.
>
> You think this because you're confusing layers of abstraction.  Imagine a
PC
> running MS Word.  Imagine replacing each of the transistors, one at a
time,
> with vacuum tubes instead.  Assuming they have the same functionality, how
does
> this affect the running MS Word?  Answer: it doesn't.  The organization of
> software couldn't care less what kind of hardware you put it on.
>
> Subjective experience is about higher-level organization.  If you replace
> organic neurons with ones that "mimic the measurable physical behaviors",
> subjective experience will continue unchanged.
>
>         -- Don

I don't think so, it's only an idea,  please prove what you are saying.

It looks you only want hear yourself. Why didn't you react at my posting, am
I a nut?
 I could blow you away. do you know that with only loose ideas.

The lower LODs (levels o detail) are the fundament of all that is happening.
Change a property of
a quark and we have another world. We even don't know what it will become.
Please argue against this.

Read first the url I have given, else you even don't know in what world you
live. Now you are dreaming.

Don't listen to this man Ray.

Ed van der Meulen